Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
that some people said LENR claims do violate laws of thermodynamic made me fall on my bottom... it remind me the book of Beaudette about what he call skeptic (in fact deniers) page 134 (164) in the box: summation *Characteristics of the Scientific Skeptic* In general, skeptics display the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Eric Walker
About the neutron measurements with the health dosimeter, I wrote: Fleischmann and Pons ... carried out procedures of their own devising to look for evidence completely outside of their field ... This was inaccurate. For the neutron measurements, they used two approaches. First they used an

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
Alain, the phenomenon of LENR itself does not violate the laws of thermodynamics but some of the explanations do. Apparently, this is a problem that physicists have. Many of them do not understand or accept the laws of thermodynamics. Consequently, they waste a lot of time discussing ideas

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
Eric, F-P thought they were initiating a version hot fusion. Therefore, they expected a large neutron flux which the dosimeter would detect. They had no understanding about the nuclear process they actually discovered. I expect when they did not find neutrons, they must have questioned

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Jones Beene
This is good - but those of us who follow the field closely should be aware that LENR advocates and practitioners can themselves be blindly skeptical within the niche, such as when confronted with an explanation or theory which they do not espouse, or an experimenter who has been rude to them

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: The safest course is to take Garwin and Lewis and the others at their word and to limit consideration to what was said and written. If I take them at their word, I am forced to conclude they are incompetent fools. Remember that Pons's lawyer sent a

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
The results that F-P produced corresponded to a new reality that did not correspond to the reality that F-P expected; the old paradigm of neutron reactions. . This mismatch between the real as described by experiment and what is expected by the theorist must cause and immediate adjustment by the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Hi, Jed, That was Magaziner's idea, not theirs. Who was Magaziner? Ira? Thanks, Lawry On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That was Magaziner's idea, not theirs

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Jed, That was Magaziner's idea, not theirs. Who was Magaziner? Ira? Yes. As I recall it was his idea. Martin was not enthusiastic about going, he later told me. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, I think a clear distinction needs to be made between reality and imagination. Reality is what we experience, which is described using imagination. Occasionally the imagination actually describes reality well enough. Most of the time the imagination has very little relationship to

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Ed, What you say, seems to confirm the idea that CF was discovered many years too early, before the time when science was prepared to explain it and technology to develop it and therefore it remained immature, underdeveloped and underunderstood so many years. A doctor politicus lady on my

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: In other words, people need to make an effort to bring their imagination in harmony with reality. Only one reality exists, while the imagination has infinite possibilities. Here is a wonderful quote about that: Perhaps the history of the errors

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
The theorist is always looking for experimental results to confirm his reality. That is a situation that is pleasing and conformable. But when the experiment confronts the theorist with the unexpected and the disturbing, the theorist must adjust his reality to match what is real. Quantum

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
Not too early, Peter. The problem F-P faced would have existed whenever the discovery was made because the discovery revealed a new and perviously hidden part of reality. They paid the price of forcing everyone to see a new phenomenon. That discovery process always causes problems for the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Peter Gluck
The problem changes when the discovery is understood and its value measured? The Founders have understood their own discovery better than anybody else? The previously hidden part of reality is better understood today then at its discovery? “Science is built up of facts, as a house is built of

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The theorist is always looking for experimental results to confirm his reality. That is a situation that is pleasing and conformable. But when the experiment confronts the theorist with the unexpected and the disturbing, the theorist must

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Peter, however, a house requires a heap of stones to be assembled before it can be built. We now have a heap of stones and various architects are trying to design a house using these stones. Unfortunately, many of the architects ignore most of the stones and want to use wood

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Ed that they were brave to believe their own calorimetry, given the deficit of neutrons. Martin later said, it is the easiest thing in the world to dismiss your own results; to say 'that must be a mistake'

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, Eric, heat is hard to justify and accept. However, ALL nuclear reactions make heat. F-P and many people since 1989 see evidence for a nuclear reaction. That fact alone should have excited scientists. However, we all were taught that a nuclear reaction is not influenced by the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
You are letting your common sense distort the true vision of reality. It is difficult to come to a true understanding of what is real using the limited perception of your senses. The world of the fish is different from the world of the bird. The world of water is different from the world of

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Axil, I think a clear distinction needs to be made between reality and imagination. Reality is what we experience, which is described using imagination. Occasionally the imagination actually describes reality well

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
No Harry, reality is NOT a chess game. Trying to understand reality is the game. Do you see the difference? Reality has rules we are trying to understand. We can either learn the rules or we can make up any rule we might imagine. The PROCESS is like playing chess without knowing the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I agree, Eric, heat is hard to justify and accept. However, ALL nuclear reactions make heat. As Martin often pointed out, radioactivity was first detected from the heat it produces, and calorimetry remains an excellent method of measuring it. I do

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
While what you say is true, Jed, to make detectable heat, a fusion rate of about 10^9 events/sec would be required. To detect the radiation, only about 10 events/sec would be needed. Heat is used to measure radioactive decay, but only when a large amount of the decaying material is

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
One of the possibilities of the Nano world is that light can experience such bending that it can enter a small space and not come out. It just spins inside that space changing as it spins and gains strength as long as the condition persists. This behavior is not imagination, it is experimental

[Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund

2014-01-04 Thread pagnucco
DOE Mentions Technology Behind The Home Nuclear Reactor In Funding Opportunity http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2014/01/04/doe-mentions-technology-behind-the-home-nuclear-reactor-in-funding-opportunity/

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Axil Axil wrote: One of the possibilities of the Nano world is that light can experience such bending that it can enter a small space and not come out. It just spins inside that space changing as it spins and gains strength as long as the condition persists.

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread H Veeder
In order to learn the rules, you first have to take a risk and imagine what the rules might be and this might mean imagining new rules that conflict with established rules. Imagination is not undermining the search for an explanation. Dogma about this or that rule is undermining the search for an

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread David Roberson
Axil, you say that light can continue to spin inside a small space and gain strength. This contrary to the concept that light is composed of photons unless you are suggesting that more and more of these enter the space as the fields build up. Is that what you mean? If so, then the total

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=10t=3200start=6000#p102568 Actual pictures of this photon process is included in this explanatory post. The theory of Ni/H type LENR that I support is based on 100% valid experimentally based nanoplasmonic science. It could well be different but o

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
You have the idea right. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Axil, you say that light can continue to spin inside a small space and gain strength. This contrary to the concept that light is composed of photons unless you are suggesting that more and more

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread David Roberson
This is an interesting way to look at nature. First you make observations of what is occurring. Then you imagine why this may be so. Finally, you continue to watch the behavior of the experiment and see that all the observations that you collect match your imagined process. I like to

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, Harry. However, since what can be imagined is infinite and some rules have to be accepted, some limitations have to be imposed to avoid insanity. A creative 10 year old can give you an explanation for anything, but would you accept the explanation just because it did not follow

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I agree, Eric, heat is hard to justify and accept. However, ALL nuclear reactions make heat. As Martin often pointed out, radioactivity was first detected from the heat it

Re: [Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund

2014-01-04 Thread Terry Blanton
LENR technology has suffered from confusion with “cold fusion”http://newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/LENR-is-Not-Cold-Fusion.shtml, which has largely been dismissed by the scientific community. On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:22 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: DOE Mentions Technology Behind The Home

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread David Roberson
OK, now the question comes up about how many photons can be captured inside such a tiny space before it self destructs. In normal classical circumstances the tiny space you speak of would be called a cavity resonator. These have a Q associated with them that is related to the stored energy

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Foks0904 .
Harry, I don't want to speak for Axil, but from my understanding it is theorized that some manner of photonic-BEC can form in the Nano-cavity. I'm not sure whether it assists fusion or the photons themselves create some novel variety of EM energy. It relies, in ways, on Kim's BEC cluster theory.

Re: [Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund

2014-01-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: LENR technology has suffered from confusion with “cold fusion”, which has largely been dismissed by the scientific community. It's encouraging to see that a journalist at Forbes has taken up the LENR scoop again. This one

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
It has been experimentally verified that the energy density reached in these photonic traps reach a high EMF level of 10 to the 15 power watts per square centimeter before the chemical based detectors used for EMF power density measurements are destroyed. The experimenters have not found a way to

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think there has been an actual increase in autism. More cases are being diagnosed. I think some are not real. Alzheimer's and cancer is increasing mainly because there is no cure for them and the population is

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
that is what I have in mind too. I am quite conservative (sic) about conservation laws. The more i heard of them, the more I think they are structurally solid (anyway I may be wrong), because they are expression of symmetries. It seems TD2 is linked to Heizenberg, and TD1 to gauge equivalence.

Re: [Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund

2014-01-04 Thread Alain Sepeda
I feel it is the manipulation that I describe as history rewritten by the losers. instead of admitting they screwed up, they will blame cold fusion... what ever is the theory, the fact is that the calorimetry was ignored, and that is a scientific crime. point. end of science here. 2014/1/4 Eric

Re: [Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund WIKI'd

2014-01-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
DOE ARPA-E Funding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#DOE_ARPA-E_Funding In Jan, 2014 Forbes reported that The Department of Energy included low energy nuclear reactions—which NASA scientists have said could fuel home nuclear reactors—among other representative technologies in a $10

Re: [Vo]:Forbes brief article on $10M ARPA-E fund WIKI'd

2014-01-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
ARPA-E selects reviewers based on their knowledge and understanding of the relevant field and application, their experience and skills, and their ability to provide constructive feedback on applications. Is there any mechanism for disqualifying Hot-fusion (Coulomb-bound) reviewers from

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread David Roberson
The levels that you list are quite large. If the magnetic fields emanating from each of the nano antennas were of that magnitude I would be concerned that they would generate a force against their neighbors that would rip the material apart. Maybe one day you can explain how these nano sized

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread Axil Axil
Here is some thoughts about how a strong magnetic field can screen charge. One of the conservation laws is the conservation of isospin in nuclear reactions. In 1932, Heisenberg defined that the proton and neutron be considered as different charge substates of one particle, the Nucleon. A

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-04 Thread H Veeder
the rule about not peeing into the wind. ;-) Harry On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I agree, Harry. However, since what can be imagined is infinite and some rules have to be accepted, some limitations have to be imposed to avoid insanity. A creative

[Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial

2014-01-04 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, My friend AXIL, an admirable front-line physicist thinker, has written comments to my 2014 New Year message. Please read them. I liked the comments so much that I have asked him to write a guest editorial for my Blog. Here it is: