RE: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent applicationUS20130044847A1

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I have very little positive feelings about NASA’s ethics and their 
scientific/engineering capability.  IMHO they are under  the thumb of the solid 
propellant rocket industry which supplies the military with rockets and other 
kinetic energy missiles and shells for large guns.

In the late 70’s NASA ignored an improvement in solid propellant design to 
avoid the CHANGLLER loss in the 80’s.   The design was to introduce a casing 
with no O rings seals and the potential joint failure that happened with 
CHALLANGER.

The fix involved the use of cryogenic fuel preparation, allowing a continuous 
pour of propellant into a shell casing with no mechanical joints, replacing the 
batch preparation of solid propellant used by the existing rocket manufacturing 
companies.

Bob Cook





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From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 11:49:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent applicationUS20130044847A1

Bob,

For some reason – despite the logic which you mention and the obvious problem 
with activation, NASA still believes that W got it right. Go figure.

I suppose that if they were proved to be accurate, and NASA may know something 
which we do not – then  the redeeming feature of that hypothesis would have to 
be this: the neutrons are so deflated that the boron-10 would not produce the 
normal high energy alpha at all. In fact the neutrons could all decay and all 
you have is low intensity betas.

Is there another option?  – who knows, unless there are results that are 
unpublished ?

It seems more realistic now to dump the ultra low momentum species altogether.


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com

Jones—

Slow neutrons are not very nice in engineered items.  They can activate many 
stable isotopes,s making a practical invention problematic.

I was worried from the get-go that, if W-L was correct, LENR would be a tough 
technology to make  practical.   I think the B-10 reaction with a slow neutron 
produces an energetic alpha.  It should be readily observed in CR-39 shields 
doped with B.  I don’t think the alphas were observed as much as predicted.

The SPAWAR research would have confirmed the W-L theory.  I do not remember 
that it did.  (See the final report of 2016)

Bob Cook

_


From: JonesBeene 1

I must have signed up to get notices from USPTO since neither the inventor nor 
the application is familiar.

Anyway – today this effort to Patent a particular concept  for a LENR reactor 
was abandoned by Dan Steinberg, whoever that is - and the claimed operational 
mechanism appears to be strongly influenced by the low momentum neutron 
conjecture of Widom and Larsen. Perhaps there is some connection.

No wonder that it was abandoned. These neutrons have yet to be documented yet 
the hypothesis lingers on.

“Apparatus and Method for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions”
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130044847A1/en

Abstract
Provided are a method and apparatus for low energy nuclear reactions in 
hydrogen-loaded metals. A nickel cathode is disposed inside a pressure vessel 
loaded with heavy water. The vessel is heated to a temperature at which nickel 
oxide is reduced in the presence of hydrogen. The cathode is electrified, 
thereby producing hydrogen at the cathode, which removes any oxide layer on the 
nickel. The nickel can therefore more easily be loaded with hydrogen. The 
nickel cathode preferably has embedded particles of neutron-absorbing and/or 
hydrogen absorbing materials, such as boron-10…

Boron-10 appears to be the key to this particular claim – and the reason is 
clear.

This isotope has a cross-section for low energy neutrons of at least  3840 
barns – “bigger than a barn” so to speak and if you believe W got it right – 
then this would have been your winning lotto ticket.

Never mind that the claim was never “reduced to practice”… as they say in 
Crystal City.

Unless that is – you are old enough to remember so called “Zip fuel” … 

Re: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent applicationUS20130044847A1

[mixent]

In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:49:39 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Bob,
>
>For some reason – despite the logic which you mention and the obvious problem 
>with activation, NASA still believes that W got it right. Go figure.
[snip]
...that's probably because it's more palatable to them than the alternatives. ;)

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent applicationUS20130044847A1

[JonesBeene]

Bob,

For some reason – despite the logic which you mention and the obvious problem 
with activation, NASA still believes that W got it right. Go figure.

I suppose that if they were proved to be accurate, and NASA may know something 
which we do not – then  the redeeming feature of that hypothesis would have to 
be this: the neutrons are so deflated that the boron-10 would not produce the 
normal high energy alpha at all. In fact the neutrons could all decay and all 
you have is low intensity betas.

Is there another option?  – who knows, unless there are results that are 
unpublished ?

It seems more realistic now to dump the ultra low momentum species altogether.


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com

Jones—

Slow neutrons are not very nice in engineered items.  They can activate many 
stable isotopes,s making a practical invention problematic.

I was worried from the get-go that, if W-L was correct, LENR would be a tough 
technology to make  practical.   I think the B-10 reaction with a slow neutron 
produces an energetic alpha.  It should be readily observed in CR-39 shields 
doped with B.  I don’t think the alphas were observed as much as predicted. 

The SPAWAR research would have confirmed the W-L theory.  I do not remember 
that it did.  (See the final report of 2016)

Bob Cook  

_


From: JonesBeene 1
 
I must have signed up to get notices from USPTO since neither the inventor nor 
the application is familiar.

Anyway – today this effort to Patent a particular concept  for a LENR reactor 
was abandoned by Dan Steinberg, whoever that is - and the claimed operational 
mechanism appears to be strongly influenced by the low momentum neutron 
conjecture of Widom and Larsen. Perhaps there is some connection. 

No wonder that it was abandoned. These neutrons have yet to be documented yet 
the hypothesis lingers on.

“Apparatus and Method for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions”
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130044847A1/en

Abstract
Provided are a method and apparatus for low energy nuclear reactions in 
hydrogen-loaded metals. A nickel cathode is disposed inside a pressure vessel 
loaded with heavy water. The vessel is heated to a temperature at which nickel 
oxide is reduced in the presence of hydrogen. The cathode is electrified, 
thereby producing hydrogen at the cathode, which removes any oxide layer on the 
nickel. The nickel can therefore more easily be loaded with hydrogen. The 
nickel cathode preferably has embedded particles of neutron-absorbing and/or 
hydrogen absorbing materials, such as boron-10…

Boron-10 appears to be the key to this particular claim – and the reason is 
clear. 

This isotope has a cross-section for low energy neutrons of at least  3840 
barns – “bigger than a barn” so to speak and if you believe W got it right – 
then this would have been your winning lotto ticket.

Never mind that the claim was never “reduced to practice”… as they say in 
Crystal City.

Unless that is – you are old enough to remember so called “Zip fuel” … 

RE: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent application US20130044847A1

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

Slow neutrons are not very nice in engineered items.  They can activate many 
stable isotopes,s making a practical invention problematic.

I was worried from the get-go that, if W-L was correct, LENR would be a tough 
technology to make  practical.   I think the B-10 reaction with a slow neutron 
produces an energetic alpha.  It should be readily observed in CR-39 shields 
doped with B.  I don’t think the alphas were observed as much as predicted.

The SPAWAR research would have confirmed the W-L theory.  I do not remember 
that it did.  (See the final report of 2016)

Bob Cook

_


From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 6:10:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent application US20130044847A1

I must have signed up to get notices from USPTO since neither the inventor nor 
the application is familiar.

Anyway – today this effort to Patent a particular concept  for a LENR reactor 
was abandoned by Dan Steinberg, whoever that is - and the claimed operational 
mechanism appears to be strongly influenced by the low momentum neutron 
conjecture of Widom and Larsen. Perhaps there is some connection.

No wonder that it was abandoned. These neutrons have yet to be documented yet 
the hypothesis lingers on.

“Apparatus and Method for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions”
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130044847A1/en

Abstract
Provided are a method and apparatus for low energy nuclear reactions in 
hydrogen-loaded metals. A nickel cathode is disposed inside a pressure vessel 
loaded with heavy water. The vessel is heated to a temperature at which nickel 
oxide is reduced in the presence of hydrogen. The cathode is electrified, 
thereby producing hydrogen at the cathode, which removes any oxide layer on the 
nickel. The nickel can therefore more easily be loaded with hydrogen. The 
nickel cathode preferably has embedded particles of neutron-absorbing and/or 
hydrogen absorbing materials, such as boron-10…

Boron-10 appears to be the key to this particular claim – and the reason is 
clear.

This isotope has a cross-section for low energy neutrons of at least  3840 
barns – “bigger than a barn” so to speak and if you believe W got it right – 
then this would have been your winning lotto ticket.

Never mind that the claim was never “reduced to practice”… as they say in 
Crystal City.

Unless that is – you are old enough to remember so called “Zip fuel” … 

Re: [Vo]:Delocalization of nuclei

[H LV]

On Fri., Jul. 5, 2019, 12:03 a.m. JonesBeene,  wrote:

> *From: *H LV 
>
>
>
>- However delocalization can in principle happen to protons as well…
>
>
>
> Isn’t hydronium a classic example of delocalization of protons?
>
>
>

I am not sure if the term delocalization means the same thing in this case.
Harry


If so, the H2O/H3O+ ratio of oceans at any given time means that proton
> delocalization  is not an uncommon occurrence.
>
>
>
> Too bad this is not an easy phenomenon to exploit…
>
>
>
> ….on first glance it looks like it should be easy.
>

RE: [Vo]:plasmonics, Mizuno, optical cavities, and LENR

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil—

I doubt your Hawking radiation theory.  The photonic crystal (PhC) emitting at 
certain resonant frequencies is merely indicating a coherent system that 
involves a  change of state of the system, releasing potential  NUCLEAR EM  
binding energy  of the system as a maser beam of EM radiation (simply meeting 
the 2nd Law of TD.)

The follow-on experiments should look for nuclear transmutations by SIM/EDX 
instrumentation after enough time to allow detection of the LENR ash, given the 
sensitivity  of the instrument used.

The recent SPAWARS 2016 document you identified provides good ideas as to how 
to use the SIM/EDX instruments to evaluate local LENR PhC changes.

A comparison of the new nuclear energy states of the ash (lower total energy) 
to the original PhC nuclear energy states should match the “over unity” 
releases you suggest per my LENR model.

Of course other release of energy should also be evaluated—for example 
neutrino, electron and positron kinetic energies.

Bob Cook


Em binding energyFrom: Axil Axil
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:32o: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:plasmonics, Mizu
no, optical cavities, and LENR


Here below is my favorite accidentally stumbled upon LENR reaction in a science 
experiment.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0957-4484/26/23/234002

SPECIAL
Experimental observation of anomalous thermal radiation from a 
three-dimensional metallic photonic crystal
Abstract
We report some striking results on thermal radiation properties of a resonantly 
coupled cavity photonic crystal (PhC) at elevated temperatures (T = 400–900 K). 
We experimentally found that at resonant wavelengths, λ = 1.1, 1.64, 2.85 μm, 
the PhC emission is spectrally selective, quasi-coherent, directional, and 
shows significant deviation from Planck's blackbody law at equilibrium. The 
presence of non-equilibrium effects, driven by strong thermal excitation and 
cavity resonance, may be the major cause for our experimental observation.

Sooner or later, science as bound to stumble over some sort of LENR reaction.

Thermal radiation coming off this photonic crystal (PhC) is up to 50 times 
stronger than blackbody radiation at certain frequencies. That radiation is 
coherent, directional, and focused.

This finding has the researchers puzzled.

I speculated that Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP)s formed inside the coupled 
cavities in this crystal form a polariton Bose condensate that emits hawking 
radiation at specific thermal frequencies. The same polariton based process is 
what is producing heat in Mizumo's mesh reactor. There also may be some 
overunity here: more energy out than in, since there was a maximum 50X increase 
(see figure 2 in PDF) in heat energy.
The radiative power of cavity-PhC exhibits order-of-magnitude enhancement (6-50 
times) over that of a blackbody at the peak wavelengths.

PDF: 
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0957-4484/26/23/234002/ampdf

[Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patent application US20130044847A1

[JonesBeene]

I must have signed up to get notices from USPTO since neither the inventor nor 
the application is familiar.

Anyway – today this effort to Patent a particular concept  for a LENR reactor 
was abandoned by Dan Steinberg, whoever that is - and the claimed operational 
mechanism appears to be strongly influenced by the low momentum neutron 
conjecture of Widom and Larsen. Perhaps there is some connection. 

No wonder that it was abandoned. These neutrons have yet to be documented yet 
the hypothesis lingers on.

“Apparatus and Method for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions”
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130044847A1/en

Abstract
Provided are a method and apparatus for low energy nuclear reactions in 
hydrogen-loaded metals. A nickel cathode is disposed inside a pressure vessel 
loaded with heavy water. The vessel is heated to a temperature at which nickel 
oxide is reduced in the presence of hydrogen. The cathode is electrified, 
thereby producing hydrogen at the cathode, which removes any oxide layer on the 
nickel. The nickel can therefore more easily be loaded with hydrogen. The 
nickel cathode preferably has embedded particles of neutron-absorbing and/or 
hydrogen absorbing materials, such as boron-10…

Boron-10 appears to be the key to this particular claim – and the reason is 
clear. 

This isotope has a cross-section for low energy neutrons of at least  3840 
barns – “bigger than a barn” so to speak and if you believe W got it right – 
then this would have been your winning lotto ticket.

Never mind that the claim was never “reduced to practice”… as they say in 
Crystal City.

Unless that is – you are old enough to remember so called “Zip fuel” …