Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Bob,

The production of energy by the reaction is produced when the EVO is
induced to become unstable. This instability results in a Bosenova where
10^23 electrons explode at the speed of light.

Here is a video of this process occurring in an experiment.

https://youtu.be/0VuO7iYzyT8

When I watched this VEGA experiment where the EVOs exploded in a BoseNova,
I noticed that the high energy electrons exiting the Bosenova are producing
a bright band from the explosion that traveled directly in a short straight
line to the anode.  A sharp almost instantaneous voltage spike in the anode
circuit should occur when those high energy electrons return to the anode.

When we saw Rossi's QX demo, we saw the random high dv/dt voltage spikes on
Rossi's pumping input show on his input line scope. Those voltage feedback
spikes destroyed his controller, but it looks like he found a way to
capture that voltage in the SKLEP reactor. The over unity energy is carried
by those high energy electrons at 1.5 MeV, I believe that Rossi is
capturing this return of high energy electrons in the SKLEP reactor.  These
electrons may be getting to the anode before they can release their energy
as heat in the plasma.



On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 6:49 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> “We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The
> "reaction" does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.
>
>
>
> Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation
> productive, in the post titled "*LENR transmutation may be subject to
> quantum mechanical superposition,*" I reference the production of
> ferrosilicon in India as an example of massive transmutation with little
> if no excess energy production.
>
>
> See
>
>
> http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf
> ”
>
>
>
>
>
> Page 8 of the report cited in Axil Axil’s comment is copied  hereafter:
>
>
>
> >8. Remarks on Possible Future Studies Unfortunately Silcal operations
> were severely crippled by power cuts ranging from 30 to 100% and frequent
> power  nterruptions from 1996 onwards till 1999. Following a dispute
> regarding violation of Power Tariff agreement with the state government and
> withdrawal of exemptions from power cut for our industry, the Silcal plant
> had to be shut down in 2002 and the company wound up in 2010. This was an
> inevitable consequence of the fact that cost of electrical power consumed
> forms a substantial component of the net cost of production of Fe–Si alloy
> by the smelting process What has been has been observed by us in our plant
> may be considered to be only partial transmutation of the C and O present
> in the reaction zone into Si and Fe. As such we were making attempts to
> attain 100% transmutation of all the carbon and oxygen nuclei present in
> the input feed, from 1995 to 2002. For the last 15 years, we have been
> contemplating various ways of improving the technology, hoping to move
> towards achieving 100% transmutations. We do believe that we now have
> the design and operational parameters for such an improved plant design. If
> we had carried out isotopic analysis of the produced Fe–Si alloy it would
> have given us very valuable clues. We deeply regret not having thought of
> doing this those days. We are meanwhile continuing efforts to try and set
> up a new plant where these transmutation results could be replicated once
> again. The objective of this paper is to share our findings with the LENR
> community, with the hope that operators of sim- ilar plants elsewhere in
> the world, especially in Norway, could be encouraged to look for the
> occurrence of anomalous production of Si and Fe in similar submerged arc
> furnace smelting plants. On our part we shall be most happy to shareour
> results and experience in a true scientific spirit with anyone
> interested.<<
>
>
>
> My second sentence of my comments to Axil Axil  is not clear and may have
> been misunderstood.
>
>
>
> I have modified this sentence with bold font  as follows:
>
>
>
> The *increase*  *in*  phonic *kinetic energy* of an atomic *system of
> electrons * is subsequently *emitted as  low  energy radiation*
>  (NON-GAMMA)  with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new
> nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.
>
>
>
> The Indian paper cited by Axil Axil seems to recognize the potential of
> increased smelting process heat, but does not address  the QM system with a
> phase change and subsequent release of phonic kinetic energy.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> _
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
> bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without
> basis IMHOP.
>
>
>
> I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy
> of an entangled phonic atomic electronic 

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Thankyou for your opinion. A nuclear reaction produces energy from a change
in the binding energy of the nucleus. When this binding energy changes, the
nucleus will become unstable where the liberated binding energy is
oftentimes carried away by a particle(s) exiting the nucleus.

If the Reaction is based on a nuclear reaction, particle emissions are to
be expected. The lack of particle emissions in the Reaction was and still
is a major factor in the lack of acceptance by the science community that
the nuclear based explanation of  the Reaction is real.

By the way, Holmlid's observation that particles were produced by his
Reaction has not been seen by his replicators. It looks like what Holmlid
was seeing were EVOs produced by the ultra dense hydrogen as detected by Sveinn
Ólafsson 's cloud chamber.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 8:01 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> Axil,
>
>
> You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter
> physics.
>
> A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe
> that mass at rest can produce this???
>
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma
> radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with
> particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined
> particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep
> in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking radiation
> from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based wide
> continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:
>
>> May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>>
>>
>> J.W.
>> On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>>
>> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
>> a cold fusion reaction...
>> -
>>
>> Is this work published?
>>
>> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
>> lines support a theory
>>
>> --
>> Jürg Wyttenbach
>> Bifangstr. 22
>> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>>
>> +41 44 760 14 18
>> +41 79 246 36 06
>>
>> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil,


You basically are a nonsense talker with no clue of real dense matter 
physics.


A particle emission is associated with a momentum.  How do you believe 
that mass at rest can produce this???




J.W.

On 04.12.2021 19:36, Axil Axil wrote:
Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma 
radiation is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated 
with particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined 
particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. 
Keep in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking 
radiation from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based 
wide continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.


On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active
lines from a cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the
gamma lines support a theory


-- 
Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:From Atomic Clocks to Nulcear Clocks

[H LV]

I don't know.

What interests me is that this research is using a low energy approach to
learn something new about the nucleus.
Nuclear experimental research has largely been guided by Ruthford-like
investigations requiring ever increasing energies.
The research paradigm has been that with more energy comes more knowledge.
NMR is low energy as well but it is_applied_ nuclear science. I could be
wrong but at this time NMR doesn't seem capable of revealing anything new
about the nucleus.

harry

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:43 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Harry—
>
>
>
>
>
> Are increments quantized or associated with some observable repeatable
> natural event. For example, the rotation of an electron’s magnetic field on
> a toroidal surface?
>
>
>
> Jurg  WYYTTENBACH   considers  a similar proton model   in his SO(4)
> PHYSICS  evaluations.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *H LV 
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:35 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *[Vo]:From Atomic Clocks to Nulcear Clocks
>
>
>
> Nature article from Feb. 2021:
> The thorium-229 low-energy isomer and the nuclear clock.
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s42254-021-00286-6
> abstract
> The 229Th nucleus has an isomeric state at an energy of about 8 eV
> above the ground state, several orders of magnitude lower than typical
> nuclear excitation energies. This has inspired the development of a
> field of low-energy nuclear physics in which nuclear transition rates
> are influenced by the electron shell. The low energy makes the 229Th
> isomer accessible to resonant laser excitation. Observed in
> laser-cooled trapped thorium ions or with thorium dopant ions in a
> transparent solid, the nuclear resonance may serve as the reference
> for an optical clock of very high accuracy. Precision frequency
> comparisons between such a nuclear clock and conventional atomic
> clocks will provide sensitivity to the effects of hypothetical new
> physics beyond the standard model. Although laser excitation of 229Th
> remains an unsolved challenge, recent experiments have provided
> essential information on the transition energy and relevant nuclear
> properties, advancing the field.
> --
> < clock – a nuclear clock. Why and how - we explain in this video. For
> more information please check our website www.thoriumclock.eu>>
> 
> video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQUZW_sxJI
> 
>
> Harry
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil wrote:
“We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The "reaction" 
does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation 
productive, in the post titled "LENR transmutation may be subject to quantum 
mechanical superposition," I reference the production of ferrosilicon in India 
as an example of massive transmutation with little if no excess energy 
production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf”


Page 8 of the report cited in Axil Axil’s comment is copied  hereafter:

>8. Remarks on Possible Future Studies Unfortunately Silcal operations were 
>severely crippled by power cuts ranging from 30 to 100% and frequent power 
> nterruptions from 1996 onwards till 1999. Following a dispute regarding 
>violation of Power Tariff agreement with the state government and 
>withdrawal of exemptions from power cut for our industry, the Silcal plant 
>had to be shut down in 2002 and the company wound up in 2010. This was an 
>inevitable consequence of the fact that cost of electrical power consumed 
>forms a substantial component of the net cost of production of Fe–Si alloy 
>by the smelting process What has been has been observed by us in our plant 
>may be considered to be only partial transmutation of the C and O present 
>in the reaction zone into Si and Fe. As such we were making attempts to 
>attain 100% transmutation of all the carbon and oxygen nuclei present in 
>the input feed, from 1995 to 2002. For the last 15 years, we have been 
>contemplating various ways of improving the technology, hoping to move 
>towards achieving 100% transmutations. We do believe that we now have 
>the design and operational parameters for such an improved plant design. 
>If we had carried out isotopic analysis of the produced Fe–Si alloy it 
>would have given us very valuable clues. We deeply regret not having 
>thought of doing this those days. We are meanwhile continuing efforts to 
>try and set up a new plant where these transmutation results could be 
>replicated once again. The objective of this paper is to share our 
>findings with the LENR community, with the hope that operators of sim- 
>ilar plants elsewhere in the world, especially in Norway, could be 
>encouraged to look for the occurrence of anomalous production of Si and Fe 
>in similar submerged arc furnace smelting plants. On our part we shall be 
>most happy to shareour results and experience in a true scientific spirit 
>with anyone interested.<<

My second sentence of my comments to Axil Axil  is not clear and may have been 
misunderstood.

I have modified this sentence with bold font  as follows:

The increase  in  phonic kinetic energy of an atomic system of electrons  is 
subsequently emitted as  low  energy radiation  (NON-GAMMA)  with a resulting 
decrease of the total energy of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear 
transmutation.

The Indian paper cited by Axil Axil seems to recognize the potential of  
increased smelting process heat, but does not address  the QM system with a 
phase change and subsequent release of phonic kinetic energy.

Bob Cook

_

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Regarding: "Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is
without basis IMHOP."

We went through this before regarding ferrosilicon production. The
"reaction" does not produce any energy as well as radiation and particles.

Recently. to support my claim that transmutation is not energy generation
productive, in the post titled "*LENR transmutation may be subject to
quantum mechanical superposition,*" I reference the production of
ferrosilicon in India as an example of massive transmutation with little if
no excess energy production.

See

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/244_JCMNS-Vol24.pdf




On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:06 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without
> basis IMHOP.
>
>
>
> I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy
> of an entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM
> conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.
>
>
>
> The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits
> radiant (NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy
> of the new nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.
>
>
>
> The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.
>
>
>
> The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary
> phonic and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a
> controlling magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.
>
>
>
> This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal
> grain size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion
>
>
>
>
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>
>
>
> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
> a cold fusion reaction...
>
> -
>
>
>
> Is this work published?
>
>
>
> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
> lines support a theory
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Robin]

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:09:55 +0100:
Hi,

Even if they do, I'm sure Jed would be willing to add it to the LENR-CANR 
repository.

>May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>
>
>J.W.
>
>On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>>
>> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>>
>> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines 
>> from a cold fusion reaction...
>> -
>>
>> Is this work published?
>>
>> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the 
>> gamma lines support a theory
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil Axil’s  recent comment Re LENR NO- RASIATION  PHENOMENA is without basis 
IMHOP.

I myself have cons intensified that nuclear spin  energy to phonic energy of an 
entangled phonic atomic electronic system when sufficient resonant EM 
conditions exist in the entangled (QM) system.

The increased phonic of an atomic electronic system subsequently emits radiant 
(NON-GAMMA) EM energy with a resulting decrease of the total energy of the new 
nuclear configuration—a nuclear transmutation.

The LENR reaction conserves energy and  angular momentum.

The engineering of nano-entangled- QM systems, that provide necessary phonic 
and nuclear isomeric states, created with the introduction of a controlling 
magnetic field, is IMHO the crux of LENR  success.

This nano engineering started with control of the Pd electrode crystal grain 
size and B magnetic fields the Pd crystals produced in the P-F tests.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...
-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Axil Axil]

Also identify what fusion and/or fission reaction that this gamma radiation
is coming from. Show proof that this radiation is associated with
particle emissions. Nuclear reactions produce well defined
particle emissions. Also explain how the reaction is being produced. Keep
in mind that high energy radiation can be produced by breaking radiation
from high energy electrons. These high energy electron based wide
continuous spectrum reactions are not necessarily nuclear reactions.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose
>
>
> J.W.
> On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:
>
>
> Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
>
> Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from
> a cold fusion reaction...
> -
>
> Is this work published?
>
> It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma
> lines support a theory
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

May be soon if the standard model  mafia will not oppose


J.W.

On 04.12.2021 18:59, Jones Beene wrote:


Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:

Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines 
from a cold fusion reaction...

-

Is this work published?

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the 
gamma lines support a theory


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jones Beene]

 
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote:
  Axil, I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion reaction...-
Is this work published? 

It should be included in the LENR/CANR library, especially if the gamma lines 
support a theory
  

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil,


I can send you any time a gamma spectrum with 300 active lines from a 
cold fusion  reaction. Also the SO(4) physics models blows up everything 
you know about physics.


So your comment is pretty outdated.


J.W.


On 04.12.2021 08:49, Axil Axil wrote:


The indications against the "REACTION" having a nuclear origin is the 
issue that no nuclear or particle radiation is ever detected. Also all 
reaction products and transmutation are stable. No one has ever 
produced or even attempted a theory that explains the nuclear origin 
of the radiationless nuclear reaction.


  * 



On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:02 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

Preliminary survey on cold fusion: It’s not pathological science
and may require revision of nuclear theory.


Discussion and copy of paper here:



https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6714-brazil-joins-the-party-a-survey-of-the-lenr-field/


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06