Re: [Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 17 Mar 2022 23:06:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] >A potential problem with this idea is that the hydrogen (or deuterium) has >to be highly pure. When you split water, you usually end up with impurities >and some oxygen mixed in with the hydrogen. You have to use high tech >equipment to purify it. You probably would not want to put water into a >cold fusion engine and then split it on demand, in situ. I thought I just read in one of the papers recently posted on Vortex that preparation of the surface involved oxidizing the metal. That would make sense if reacting it with Hydrogen resulted in the creation of nascent water molecules that then act as Hydrino catalysts. Mills also does this to create nascent water molecules to catalyze Hydrino shrinkage. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: [Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
A potential problem with this idea is that the hydrogen (or deuterium) has to be highly pure. When you split water, you usually end up with impurities and some oxygen mixed in with the hydrogen. You have to use high tech equipment to purify it. You probably would not want to put water into a cold fusion engine and then split it on demand, in situ.
Re: [Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
Robin wrote: > A gram of Hydrogen represents the explosive power of about 30 gm of TNT. > Several hundred grams of Hydrogen would equate > to about 9 kg of TNT. That's a little more than a pop under the hood. > Well, if it is a problem, I suppose they could use 20 g instead of 100. The point is, you only need 1 or 2 g per year. Also, bear in mind there is no oxygen in the cell. It cannot explode unless the cell leaks or is punctured. It is not likely all the gas will come out at once, especially since much of it will be absorbed in a hydride. It takes a while to degass. I think it would be someone less likely to cause harm than the acid sealed in a lead acid battery. Granted, such batteries cause 22,000 injuries per year, but I think mainly from explosions, which should be rare or completely absent with cold fusion cells, by the time we make them work. https://trid.trb.org/view/786316
Re: [Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 17 Mar 2022 18:36:32 -0400: Hi, A gram of Hydrogen represents the explosive power of about 30 gm of TNT. Several hundred grams of Hydrogen would equate to about 9 kg of TNT. That's a little more than a pop under the hood. (This is because Hydrogen is so light weight. Calculation based on burning the Hydrogen to form water.) Of course, one could also argue that carrying around gallons of gasoline isn't safe. [snip] >Do you mean the hydrogen or deuterium fuel? Are you worried it might >explode? An automobile would only fuse a gram of hydrogen per year. You >need more than that in the reactor, but the total amount would be a few >hundred grams. It would be locked into an airtight cell. Even if it leaked >out, it would produce a small pop under the hood. It would could cause no >damage. > >Maybe you mean there is some other use for hydrogen in a cold fusion >powered device? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: [Vo]:Storms preprint
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 17 Mar 2022 19:48:52 + (UTC): Hi, That's more or less what I had in mind. Mills' "energy hole" is 27.2 eV. This equates to a wavelength of 45.582 nm. So a cavity of that size would resonate at just the right frequency to act as an "energy hole", with an "m" of at least 1. Furthermore, all "m" values would actually be represented, because 2, 3, 4 etc, waves would also resonate. If the cavity had a conductive metal wall, then the electrons in the metal would resonate along with the EM wave, and due to the resistance of the metal, their energy would be converted into heat, thus providing a sink for the Hydrino shrinkage energy. I proposed this to Mills several years ago, but he doesn't appear to have done anything with it. >Robin >There is a possibility that the NAE site corresponds to the Casimir effect and >its geometry. >Otherwise it is a coincidence that the presumed active zone is similar. > >This Casimir dimension has maximum effect at around 2 nm --- and by now could >be etched using state of the art nanolithography > >This is especially interesting if some hind of deuterium "densification" is >part of the process since it would be possible to arrange a structured array >of precise cavities instead of depending on random placement > >... nanolithography in order to optimize LENR would be a natural for someone >like Google, no? > >Surely they have considered this possibility > > >Robin wrote: > > Self-assembly creates regular structures (think crystal growth). It is > > being considered for bleeding edge IC production. >I don't think it's too much of leap to consider using it for e.g. a surface >treatment of a cathode, or possibly a 3D >whole cathode construction, or creation of a target for a gas based reaction. >With nano particles, you will, by coincidence, get some NAE sites. With >self-assembly, you may have the ability to >ensure that almost all the material consists of NAE sites, thus improving the >power density markedly. > >Of course this entails knowing exactly what an NAE site is. I have an idea on >that score, but it involves Hydrinos, so >will shut up unless asked. > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: [Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
Jones Beene wrote: > Most viable concepts for commercial vehicles which would utilize LENR need > to have efficient water-splitting as part of the package. Compressed > hydrogen gas as the alternative - that is probably a non-starter for safety > reasons, > Do you mean the hydrogen or deuterium fuel? Are you worried it might explode? An automobile would only fuse a gram of hydrogen per year. You need more than that in the reactor, but the total amount would be a few hundred grams. It would be locked into an airtight cell. Even if it leaked out, it would produce a small pop under the hood. It would could cause no damage. Maybe you mean there is some other use for hydrogen in a cold fusion powered device?
[Vo]:Highest efficiency water splitter
This is from a new Australian company - Hysata. https://newatlas.com/energy/hysata-efficient-hydrogen-electrolysis/ This could be an important step forward for LENR as well. It could be a bit more than an incremental progression. Most viable concepts for commercial vehicles which would utilize LENR need to have efficient water-splitting as part of the package. Compressed hydrogen gas as the alternative - that is probably a non-starter for safety reasons,
Re: [Vo]:Storms preprint
Robin There is a possibility that the NAE site corresponds to the Casimir effect and its geometry. Otherwise it is a coincidence that the presumed active zone is similar. This Casimir dimension has maximum effect at around 2 nm --- and by now could be etched using state of the art nanolithography This is especially interesting if some hind of deuterium "densification" is part of the process since it would be possible to arrange a structured array of precise cavities instead of depending on random placement ... nanolithography in order to optimize LENR would be a natural for someone like Google, no? Surely they have considered this possibility Robin wrote: > Self-assembly creates regular structures (think crystal growth). It is being > considered for bleeding edge IC production. I don't think it's too much of leap to consider using it for e.g. a surface treatment of a cathode, or possibly a 3D whole cathode construction, or creation of a target for a gas based reaction. With nano particles, you will, by coincidence, get some NAE sites. With self-assembly, you may have the ability to ensure that almost all the material consists of NAE sites, thus improving the power density markedly. Of course this entails knowing exactly what an NAE site is. I have an idea on that score, but it involves Hydrinos, so will shut up unless asked. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: [Vo]:Storms preprint
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 17 Mar 2022 13:06:52 -0400: Hi, >Robin wrote: > > >> Just Google atomic or molecular self-assembly. >> > >I don't see how this could apply to making a cathode. Perhaps you could >explain in a little more detail? Self-assembly creates regular structures (think crystal growth). It is being considered for bleeding edge IC production. I don't think it's too much of leap to consider using it for e.g. a surface treatment of a cathode, or possibly a 3D whole cathode construction, or creation of a target for a gas based reaction. With nano particles, you will, by coincidence, get some NAE sites. With self-assembly, you may have the ability to ensure that almost all the material consists of NAE sites, thus improving the power density markedly. Of course this entails knowing exactly what an NAE site is. I have an idea on that score, but it involves Hydrinos, so will shut up unless asked. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: [Vo]:Storms preprint
Robin wrote: > Just Google atomic or molecular self-assembly. > I don't see how this could apply to making a cathode. Perhaps you could explain in a little more detail?
