[Vo]:Night time 'solar'
Similar concept to a recent thread here - very low power density now - plenty of room for improvement https://scitechdaily.com/harvesting-energy-at-night-solar-cell-keeps-working-long-after-sun-sets/ funding likely to be available from Arabia
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
My Mitsubishi Ecodan air source heat pump works between -18 to +35°C... https://library.mitsubishielectric.co.uk/pdf/book/PUZ-HWM140VHA_-BS#page-2 Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 19:41, Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > >> When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as >>> the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home. >>> >>> >> Apparently heat pumps have improved a lot over the last decade. This >> article says they now work well down to -10F or lower. >> > > I looked at one recently, to replace one of our furnaces. (We have one > heat pump and two furnaces, for reasons beyond the scope of the > discussion.) The ones they sell in Atlanta still cut out below 40 deg F. > However, a Canadian correspondent tells me the ones in Canada use a > geothermal heat sink rather than air. That makes sense. I saw one like that > in Connecticut. If you could tie into underground water or a lake, you > could use one in Antarctica, I suppose. > > Geothermal heat pumps and air conditioners are a lot quieter than air. > > This article describes geothermal heat pumps. It says they are expensive. > I guess the other super-efficient ones are also more expensive which is why > they are not recommended in Atlanta. We seldom have days below 40 deg F. > >
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
I should explain that in Atlanta, when they install a heat pump, they include a small, auxiliary, el-cheapo gas fired furnace along with it. It seldom turns on. I don't know about Florida and other warm places. In rural Japan where the walls are made of paper, they used to heat with kerosene stoves. That is very dangerous, bad for your health, and just plain crazy. It almost killed the child of a friend of mine years ago. I hope these are seldom used today.
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
H LV wrote: > When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as >> the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home. >> >> > Apparently heat pumps have improved a lot over the last decade. This > article says they now work well down to -10F or lower. > I looked at one recently, to replace one of our furnaces. (We have one heat pump and two furnaces, for reasons beyond the scope of the discussion.) The ones they sell in Atlanta still cut out below 40 deg F. However, a Canadian correspondent tells me the ones in Canada use a geothermal heat sink rather than air. That makes sense. I saw one like that in Connecticut. If you could tie into underground water or a lake, you could use one in Antarctica, I suppose. Geothermal heat pumps and air conditioners are a lot quieter than air. This article describes geothermal heat pumps. It says they are expensive. I guess the other super-efficient ones are also more expensive which is why they are not recommended in Atlanta. We seldom have days below 40 deg F.
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Demonstrate the "toy" to a small number of friends and trusted colleagues. Provide snacks and drinks. Harry On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 6:00 PM Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >> >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts >> are >> >related of course). >> > >> >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with >> is >> >left to languish. >> > >> >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >> >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with >> politics >> >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. >> > >> >So what will it take? >> > >> >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to >> reproduce, >> >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >> >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water >> on >> >others who otherwise might. >> > >> >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again >> that >> >is going to lead to too few who verify it. >> > >> >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >> >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >> >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >> >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >> >physics... >> > >> >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! >> > >> >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >> >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. >> > >> >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >> >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >> >then: >> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >> >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able >> to >> >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >> >explanation. >> > >> >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >> >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >> >some angel investor or lottery win... >> >I just don't see anything changing! >> > >> >I
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
This is the kind of toy that is needed. People have made attempts to emulate but as yet no one has succeeded. They need to try harder. I believe it worked. > "Bruce Welsh is an electronics engineer with* the o*pen spirit which has > been devoted to alternative energies for twenty years. It is convinced that > one can build machines with on-unit. He had an uncle who liked to arrange, to invent. One day, old Bruce of seven or eight years, returned visit to the uncle who showed to the grandfather the new play that it had made for his children (it had six of them). The play made in the sixty centimetres height for a base of thirty centimetres square. It consisted of a slope in spiral of three turns and half. At the bottom of the slope a paddle wheel, connected by some gears to an elevator was placed going up to the top of the play where a hopper furnished with ten balls was. An opening to rocker in the hopper made it possible to let pass, one by one the balls which went down the slope into three to five seconds. The ball touched the paddle wheel what gave a small upswing which released another ball whereas the first was on the elevator and went towards the hopper. And so on. There were five balls at the same time on the elevator and the once launched play did not stop any more. To begin, all the balls were to be in the hopper and Bruce remembers to be thundered by the uncle because it had touched the paddle wheel, thus stopping the play started again soon by the uncle. And, several hours after, the play always functioned. Did the uncle know that it had violated the laws of physics? Its descendants do not know any more what became this play, it is probable that the uncle in recovered the parts as it was its practice to rebuild another thing, unless it does not sleep yet in an old farm, in dust… They do not remember either to have seen other apparatuses functioning in an autonomous way, nor of engine on the play, but know that the play had stopped afterwards weeks and simply set out again after being cleaned. Foot-note: the slope in spiral is indeed a vortex and it seems that in a certain way the vortices add energy, one unceasingly finds them in many ideas related to on-unit. (KeelyNet source of the 14/12/97)" On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is
