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Terry— Does you dog sniff and turn away? Bob Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Terry Blanton<mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 2:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Better than N95 On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:51 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Terry and Jones— You 2 must be the best read fictionadoes I’ve come across. :) Bob Cook I can't speak for Mr. Beene; but, personally, I'm so full of it, my eyes are brown. Cheers!
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:25 PM wrote: > > I wonder if a cocktail of all 7 would be reasonable? > Depends on the results. I read of one trial which already showed the vaccine to be unsafe. It excited the same cytokine storm as the disease even though it was just components of a virion, not the whole thing.
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 5 Apr 2020 12:53:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Bill Gates' noble effort: > >https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4 I wonder if a cocktail of all 7 would be reasonable? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:51 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Terry and Jones— > > > > You 2 must be the best read fictionadoes I’ve come across. :) > > > > Bob Cook > I can't speak for Mr. Beene; but, personally, I'm so full of it, my eyes are brown. Cheers!
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Terry and Jones— You 2 must be the best read fictionadoes I’ve come across. :) Bob Cook - From: Terry Blanton<mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:54 AM To: magicso...@aol.com<mailto:magicso...@aol.com>; vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Better than N95 Bill Gates' noble effort: https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4 On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:53 PM Terry Blanton mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote: No. You need to protect yourself assuming all is true. Then you will survive to say, "I told you so." On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM AlanG mailto:magicso...@aol.com>> wrote: It's a scary prospect if the findings are accurate. But there's no mention in the article of any control measurements or the error bands of the measurement techniques. For example, simple testing of the collection process by sampling known sterile areas seems to me an essential part of any such study. False positives need to be eliminated before concluding the spread of the virus is essentially ubiquitous and inescapable. On 4/4/2020 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote: You didn't read the articles. The issue is not sneezing! It is breathing. And talking. Here, read this article carefully: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask.
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Bill Gates' noble effort: https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4 On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:53 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > No. You need to protect yourself assuming all is true. Then you will > survive to say, "I told you so." > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM AlanG wrote: > >> It's a scary prospect if the findings are accurate. But there's no >> mention in the article of any control measurements or the error bands of >> the measurement techniques. For example, simple testing of the collection >> process by sampling known sterile areas seems to me an essential part of >> any such study. False positives need to be eliminated before concluding the >> spread of the virus is essentially ubiquitous and inescapable. >> >> On 4/4/2020 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton wrote: >> >>> You didn't read the articles. The issue is not sneezing! >>> >>> It is breathing. And talking. >>> >> >> Here, read this article carefully: >> >> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf >> >> You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and >> experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you >> are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask. >> >> >>
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No. You need to protect yourself assuming all is true. Then you will survive to say, "I told you so." On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:29 PM AlanG wrote: > It's a scary prospect if the findings are accurate. But there's no > mention in the article of any control measurements or the error bands of > the measurement techniques. For example, simple testing of the collection > process by sampling known sterile areas seems to me an essential part of > any such study. False positives need to be eliminated before concluding the > spread of the virus is essentially ubiquitous and inescapable. > > On 4/4/2020 9:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> You didn't read the articles. The issue is not sneezing! >> >> It is breathing. And talking. >> > > Here, read this article carefully: > > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf > > You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and > experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you > are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask. > > >
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On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Jones Beene wrote: > Reminds one of Harry Bosch leaving the morgue ... think about the > implications of: "most smells are particulates" > Thanks, Jonesie! I was wondering what I was going to binge after 'S All Good Man! I started Connelly's Amazon series ages ago but never finished the first season. Now I see there are six! I wonder what I will do next week? :) > Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and > experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you > are likely infected . . . > > > What if she is plain-looking? Am I safe? > Knowing your wife...no.
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Reminds one of Harry Bosch leaving the morgue ... think about the implications of: "most smells are particulates" Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you are likely infected . . . What if she is plain-looking? Am I safe?
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Terry Blanton wrote: You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and > experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you > are likely infected . . . > What if she is plain-looking? Am I safe?
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On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:50 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > You didn't read the articles. The issue is not sneezing! > > It is breathing. And talking. > Here, read this article carefully: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2.full.pdf You may have walked in the same space a beautiful woman just passed and experienced her nice perfume. If she was shedding virus at that time you are likely infected even if both of you were wearing a cloth mask.
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You didn't read the articles. The issue is not sneezing! It is breathing. And talking. The articles indicate that you can catch the Covid-19 disease from aerosols whose sizes are 5 microns. Not only that, they can hang in the air for much longer than droplets from coughing and sneezing. And 2 meters is not the safe distance...it's more like 7 to 8 meters. Combine this with the face that 40 to 50 percent of infected people are asymptomatic while still shedding huge numbers of virionswell, Brix said today to not even go to the grocery store. And a balaclava isn't much protection. Cheers. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:46 PM wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:46:56 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >5000 nm is pretty small. How many SARS-CoV-2 Virions will fit in one > >aerosol particle? > > The only reference I could find for the size of the virus is 0.1 micron. > So assuming that both measures (i.e. 0.1 & 5) > refer to a diameter, and volume goes as the cube of diameter that means at > most 50^3 = 125000 (which ignores packing > factor) in one aerosol particle, probably much less of course. However > droplets (sneezing) are usually larger than 5 > microns AFAIK. > [snip] > Regards, > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > local asymmetry = temporary success > >
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 19:46:56 -0400: Hi, [snip] >5000 nm is pretty small. How many SARS-CoV-2 Virions will fit in one >aerosol particle? The only reference I could find for the size of the virus is 0.1 micron. So assuming that both measures (i.e. 0.1 & 5) refer to a diameter, and volume goes as the cube of diameter that means at most 50^3 = 125000 (which ignores packing factor) in one aerosol particle, probably much less of course. However droplets (sneezing) are usually larger than 5 microns AFAIK. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
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I'm going back to finish bingeing almost 5 years of "Better Call Saul." On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Dammit. That is just the sort of coincidence that I have been > encountering since my "incident" which makes me think that I am dead and > none of you exist. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:11 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> LOL!! >> >> https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene wrote: >> >>> ... or a Firesign skit,,, >>> >>> you know - "Name that pandemic" ... >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry Blanton wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: >>> >>> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth >>> indicating that we are part of simulation >>> >>> ...but... >>> >>> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in >>> cyberspace till the next reboot ... >>> >>> >>> Terry Blanton wrote: >>> >>> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a >>> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a >>> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? >>> >>>
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Dammit. That is just the sort of coincidence that I have been encountering since my "incident" which makes me think that I am dead and none of you exist. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:11 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > LOL!! > > https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene wrote: > >> ... or a Firesign skit,,, >> >> you know - "Name that pandemic" ... >> >> >> >> Terry Blanton wrote: >> >> Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: >> >> Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth >> indicating that we are part of simulation >> >> ...but... >> >> Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in >> cyberspace till the next reboot ... >> >> >> Terry Blanton wrote: >> >> I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a >> theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: >> >> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a >> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? >> >>
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LOL!! https://youtu.be/D3zZ_ih0Jpc On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM Jones Beene wrote: > ... or a Firesign skit,,, > > you know - "Name that pandemic" ... > > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: > > Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating > that we are part of simulation > > ...but... > > Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in > cyberspace till the next reboot ... > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a > theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: > > Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part > of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? > >
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OK it's a Chinese knockoff of "beat the reaper"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3zZ_ih0Jpc ... or a Firesign skit,,, you know - "Name that pandemic" ... Terry Blanton wrote: Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating that we are part of simulation ...but... Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in cyberspace till the next reboot ... Terry Blanton wrote: I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
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... or a Firesign skit,,, you know - "Name that pandemic" ... Terry Blanton wrote: Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating that we are part of simulation ...but... Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in cyberspace till the next reboot ... Terry Blanton wrote: I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
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Yeah, like the ultimate software package in "Ready Player One". On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jones Beene wrote: > Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating > that we are part of simulation > > ...but... > > Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in > cyberspace till the next reboot ... > > > > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a > theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: > > Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part > of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? > >
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Yes that is exactly the kind of thing which has a ring of truth indicating that we are part of simulation ...but... Do not tell. Never tell. The consequences could be drifting out in cyberspace till the next reboot ... Terry Blanton wrote: I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
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Speaking of, did you know that Oprah Winfrey almost died of pneumonia in September also? She had just returned from Italy. One theory is that the virus has been around a lot longer than we think. It would be interesting to see if she has antibodies for SARS-CoV-2. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:48 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a > theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: > >> Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a >> part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? >> >>
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I was in intensive care in September 16, 2019 due to sepsis. I have a theory that I died and went to hell and am living it. :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jones Beene wrote: > Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part > of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ? > >
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5000 nm is pretty small. How many SARS-CoV-2 Virions will fit in one aerosol particle? https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:43 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Not exactly true. > > > https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/you-may-be-able-spread-coronavirus-just-breathing-new-report-finds > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:38 PM wrote: > >> In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:35:31 -0400: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. Then I >> >Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 nm but >> test >> >show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating). SARS-CoV-2 is >> >125 nm. >> >> I think the size of the virus is irrelevant. The mask doesn't really have >> to stop individual virus particles, it only >> has to stop the moisture droplets that carry them. Droplets are thousands >> of times larger than the virus. >> A normal handkerchief/silk scarf should do fine provided that there are >> no spaces around edge where droplets can bypass >> the filter. >> Regards, >> >> >> Robin van Spaandonk >> >> local asymmetry = temporary success >> >>
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Doesn't the entire scenario seem more and more like we are actually a part of that proverbial SIM which we talk about from time to time ?
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Not exactly true. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/you-may-be-able-spread-coronavirus-just-breathing-new-report-finds On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:38 PM wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:35:31 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. Then I > >Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 nm but > test > >show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating). SARS-CoV-2 is > >125 nm. > > I think the size of the virus is irrelevant. The mask doesn't really have > to stop individual virus particles, it only > has to stop the moisture droplets that carry them. Droplets are thousands > of times larger than the virus. > A normal handkerchief/silk scarf should do fine provided that there are no > spaces around edge where droplets can bypass > the filter. > Regards, > > > Robin van Spaandonk > > local asymmetry = temporary success > >
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 4 Apr 2020 18:35:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] >I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. Then I >Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 nm but test >show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating). SARS-CoV-2 is >125 nm. I think the size of the virus is irrelevant. The mask doesn't really have to stop individual virus particles, it only has to stop the moisture droplets that carry them. Droplets are thousands of times larger than the virus. A normal handkerchief/silk scarf should do fine provided that there are no spaces around edge where droplets can bypass the filter. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success
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Just make sure it says Filtrete. No glass. Looks like the doctor didn't do his homework. On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 7:17 PM Charles wrote: > Maybe not such a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiYbXsIcI7E > > On 05/04/2020 00:35, Terry Blanton wrote: > > I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. > > Then I Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 > > nm but test show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the > > rating). SARS-CoV-2 is 125 nm. > > > > https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis > >
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Maybe not such a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiYbXsIcI7E On 05/04/2020 00:35, Terry Blanton wrote: I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. Then I Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 nm but test show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating). SARS-CoV-2 is 125 nm. https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis
[Vo]:Better than N95
I found an old Hoover HEPA vacuum bag and thought to make a mask. Then I Googled the idea. Nothing new under the sun. HEPA spec is 300 nm but test show them effective down to 50 nm (depends on the rating). SARS-CoV-2 is 125 nm. https://youtu.be/W6d3twpHwis
