Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Sean True]

Justin Robert Nifong has one patent issued as an inventor, for a device for
reducing the problem of smelly drains in commercial kitchens:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1=HITOFF=PALL=1=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm=1=G=50=8,409,433.PN.=PN/8,409,433=PN/8,409,433

His Linked In profile says: "Mr. Nifong is a registered patent attorney and
is admitted to practice law in North Carolina. Mr. Nifong’s practice is
focused on patent preparation and prosecution, patent litigation, patent
legal opinions, and various other Intellectual Property matters. Mr.
Nifong works
in technologies that include mechanical, medical, optical, textile,
chemical, computer, and the electrical arts.

Mr. Nifong is admitted in North Carolina, the Eastern and Western Districts
of the Federal Court of North Carolina, the United States Patent and
Trademark Office, and the Supreme Court of the United States of America."

He has a BS in Mechanical Engineering, an MS in Electrical Engineering, and
a JD from Wake Forest. Typical profile for a patent attorney.

He appears to be one of two founders of NK Patent Law, a small IP law firm
with multiple specialties, including Nuclear Patents:

http://www.nkpatentlaw.com/nuclear-patents/

-- ST

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Published on E-catworld is a copy of a provisional patent (
> http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/R_123621412_3.pdf)
> that Rossi says is part of the trouble with IH, the patent was filed by a
> patent filer, Nifong, located very near IH... This clearly substantiates
> what Rossi is saying. How could IH claim that Rossi's E-Cat inventions
> don't work and thus they don't pay their contracted payment while they are
> filing patent claims covering the very same technology. Of course the Rossi
> haters, actually simply haters, are gonna hate regardless of any facts.
> They will just keep posting lies, distortions and hate here in the Vortex.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:13 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?
>
> Russ George,
> Jones Beene wrote.  "since the evidence does not support that (crimes were
> committed) yet."
> But he is the most vociferous one in libeling Rossi and his supporters.
>
> Why they can't wait for evidence like the ERV's report and other actual
> facts suggests some emotional problem or possibly lack of experience.
>
> Russ wrote.  "Vortex is a bleak lesson in internet trolling"
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Russ George]

Published on E-catworld is a copy of a provisional patent 
(http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/R_123621412_3.pdf) that 
Rossi says is part of the trouble with IH, the patent was filed by a patent 
filer, Nifong, located very near IH... This clearly substantiates what Rossi is 
saying. How could IH claim that Rossi's E-Cat inventions don't work and thus 
they don't pay their contracted payment while they are filing patent claims 
covering the very same technology. Of course the Rossi haters, actually simply 
haters, are gonna hate regardless of any facts. They will just keep posting 
lies, distortions and hate here in the Vortex. 

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:13 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

Russ George,
Jones Beene wrote.  "since the evidence does not support that (crimes were 
committed) yet."
But he is the most vociferous one in libeling Rossi and his supporters.

Why they can't wait for evidence like the ERV's report and other actual facts 
suggests some emotional problem or possibly lack of experience.

Russ wrote.  "Vortex is a bleak lesson in internet trolling"

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[a.ashfield]

Russ George,
Jones Beene wrote.  "since the evidence does not support that (crimes 
were committed) yet."

But he is the most vociferous one in libeling Rossi and his supporters.

Why they can't wait for evidence like the ERV's report and other actual 
facts suggests some emotional problem or possibly lack of experience.


Russ wrote.  "Vortex is a bleak lesson in internet trolling"

RE: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Russ George]

Vortex is a bleak lesson in internet trolling. The primary tool of internet 
trolls is simply lying. Anyone who has been following this list will readily 
see who is lying and thus a troll. One question is whether the obvious lying 
trolls are on the payroll of some nefarious outfit is of course important but 
unlikely to be answered. Trolls of course know they are trolls and they revel 
in their entrapment of honest and earnest people, that is their sociopath 
reward... nothing new in human sociology, just pitiful bully boys once more. 
Perhaps Vortex needs an ERV who will verify that people participating here are 
who they claim to be and are held identifiable and accountable for their 
statements, truth and libelous slander. At least that might smoke out the more 
deplorable lurking liars... 

-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 9:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

I agree with Craig.  My reading of the the Agreement is the same as his. 
Therefore, I have guessed at some new unforeseen situation that IH thinks would 
make the agreement moot, such as a Government Order of secrecy, or one 
withholding the ability of IH to give IP to the Chinese entities.

I do not presume to know if Florida law or US law automatically cause a change 
in such agreements that become binding on all parties of the agreement.  I can 
believe that a secrecy order would bind all involved, making the agreement, in 
effect, non operative or moot.

Bob Cook

-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 5:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they apply 
for a patent with Rossi's technology?

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en

Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:

"Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using my name 
as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to Industrial Heat, 
without my authorization."

If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to them in 
this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why Rossi is 
suing, instead of just letting it go.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Bob Cook]

I agree with Craig.  My reading of the the Agreement is the same as his. 
Therefore, I have guessed at some new unforeseen situation that IH thinks 
would make the agreement moot, such as a Government Order of secrecy, or one 
withholding the ability of IH to give IP to the Chinese entities.


I do not presume to know if Florida law or US law automatically cause a 
change in such agreements that become binding on all parties of the 
agreement.  I can believe that a secrecy order would bind all involved, 
making the agreement, in effect, non operative or moot.


Bob Cook

-Original Message- 
From: Craig Haynie

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 5:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they
apply for a patent with Rossi's technology?

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en

Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:

"Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using
my name as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to
Industrial Heat, without my authorization."

If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to
them in this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why
Rossi is suing, instead of just letting it go.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Jack Cole]

This is another silly argument used by Rossi to cast himself as the
victim.  That patent was filed for on 2/20/15.  It took IH awhile to a)
figure out that the previous results were questionable, and b) attempt to
replicate with better methodology.  It also took time for the results of
other replicators to come in (with the results of expert scientists being
consistent with hobbyist replicators).  Of course we have a few tantalizing
results here and there that suggest either the results are in error or that
the effect is unpredictable and unreliable.

I would almost bet that Rossi pulled the "charges" from the plant when IH
said the test was over.  The end result is that no qualified scientists can
examine a "working" E-cat plant.  That way he can say something like, "It
was working and I was just getting ready to put in new charges, but here
comes the evil IH to shut down the test.  It was working well (just less
efficiently) before that!  Look, I worked 16 hours a day for the last month
compiling 12 volumes of how evil they are and I'm putting together a
blockbuster chronicle of how this company used me.  In the meantime, I'm
continuing with my heat, electricity, and propellant thrust making super
E-cat quarkX to be produced with a fully robotized plant in millions of
pieces per year, F8!"  Can people not see how ridiculous this has become?

Meanwhile, companies like Brillouin and Lenuco continue working in relative
silence to produce technology that may (we hope) actually work.  Hopefully,
IH will stay the course and continue investing in reputable companies as
they seem to be doing.

Jack


On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:41 AM Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they
> apply for a patent with Rossi's technology?
>
>
> https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio
>
> https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en
>
> Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:
>
> "Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using
> my name as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to
> Industrial Heat, without my authorization."
>
> If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to
> them in this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why
> Rossi is suing, instead of just letting it go.
>
> Craig
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Patents are far more complicated than just work/don't work.   Just because
some claim in some patent might actually work, doesn't necessarily mean the
whole things works.  That claim is still useful and IH was paying for the
R



On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they
> apply for a patent with Rossi's technology?
>
>
> https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio
>
> https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en
>
> Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:
>
> "Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using my
> name as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to
> Industrial Heat, without my authorization."
>
> If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to them
> in this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why Rossi
> is suing, instead of just letting it go.
>
> Craig
>
>

[Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Craig Haynie]

If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they 
apply for a patent with Rossi's technology?


https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en

Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:

"Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using 
my name as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to 
Industrial Heat, without my authorization."


If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to 
them in this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why 
Rossi is suing, instead of just letting it go.


Craig