Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[Axil Axil]

Proton 21 is a science based effort whose out of the box thinking and
associated results are not commercially applicable. This is why their
results are so valuable to analyze. Their methods and analysis are not
constrained by the braindead fixation of producing excess heat as detected
by calorimetry.

Similar science based results have come from Ken Shoulders and presently
from Safire.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jones and Axil—
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> A additional idea in connection with the Proton 21 folks and the Stanford
> strung theory folks:
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> It may be that after the super heavies formed during inflation, the
> unstable super superheavies evaporated/exploded and only a reduced of
> stable super heavies remained, well distributed as dark matter in the
> expanding universe consistent with SOBB.
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> Bob Cook
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> PS: What has happened to these folks in the last ten to 15 years?  Did
> they suffer the same ridicule of being “scientific frauds”  as others,
> currently and in the past, have in the field of LENR?
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> Maybe Jed knows?
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> Bob Cook
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> *From: *bobcook39...@hotmail.com
> *Sent: *Monday, July 10, 2017 9:09 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *RE: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21
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> Jones—
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> The big bang may still hold, if the super heavies were formed early- on,
> caused the expansion early-- on (inflation) with repulsive gravity  and
> then changed to attractive gravity after the initial rapid inflation.
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> The big bang (BB) will become the standard of BB models,  SOBB.   It may
> require only the addition of a SINGLE constant!
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> Bob Cook
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> *From: *Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:32 PM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21
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> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> http://rexresearch.com/stuff/stuff7/adamenko.pdf
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> There is another assumption connected with these sections and it refers to
> cosmology. It is known that there is a great quantity of "dark" matter in
> the universe, and it cannot be detected by ordinary tools. It is possible
> that the "black holes" we observed are part of this matter. It may be made
> of the nuclei of super heavy elements.
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> Such a fact would appear to militate against the 'Young Universe' 'Big
> Bang' theory, wouldn't it..? It would take a LOT of time to build up such a
> huge mass of trans-uranic elements thruout the Kosmos...
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Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[Jed Rothwell]

bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:


> PS: What has happened to these folks in the last ten to 15 years?  Did
> they suffer the same ridicule of being “scientific frauds”  as others,
> currently and in the past, have in the field of LENR?
>
>
>
> Maybe Jed knows?
>

They come to ICCF conferences and I have chatted with them from time to
time, but I do not know what they are up to.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones and Axil—

A additional idea in connection with the Proton 21 folks and the Stanford 
strung theory folks:
It may be that after the super heavies formed during inflation, the unstable 
super superheavies evaporated/exploded and only a reduced of stable super 
heavies remained, well distributed as dark matter in the expanding universe 
consistent with SOBB.

Bob Cook

PS: What has happened to these folks in the last ten to 15 years?  Did they 
suffer the same ridicule of being “scientific frauds”  as others, currently and 
in the past, have in the field of LENR?

Maybe Jed knows?

Bob Cook


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

Jones—

The big bang may still hold, if the super heavies were formed early- on, caused 
the expansion early-- on (inflation) with repulsive gravity  and then changed 
to attractive gravity after the initial rapid inflation.

The big bang (BB) will become the standard of BB models,  SOBB.   It may 
require only the addition of a SINGLE constant!

Bob Cook



From: Che<mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21



On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://rexresearch.com/stuff/stuff7/adamenko.pdf


There is another assumption connected with these sections and it refers to 
cosmology. It is known that there is a great quantity of "dark" matter in the 
universe, and it cannot be detected by ordinary tools. It is possible that the 
"black holes" we observed are part of this matter. It may be made of the nuclei 
of super heavy elements.
Display More

Such a fact would appear to militate against the 'Young Universe' 'Big Bang' 
theory, wouldn't it..? It would take a LOT of time to build up such a huge mass 
of trans-uranic elements thruout the Kosmos...

RE: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones—

The big bang may still hold, if the super heavies were formed early- on, caused 
the expansion early-- on (inflation) with repulsive gravity  and then changed 
to attractive gravity after the initial rapid inflation.

The big bang (BB) will become the standard of BB models,  SOBB.   It may 
require only the addition of a SINGLE constant!

Bob Cook



From: Che<mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 2:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21



On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil 
<janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://rexresearch.com/stuff/stuff7/adamenko.pdf


There is another assumption connected with these sections and it refers to 
cosmology. It is known that there is a great quantity of "dark" matter in the 
universe, and it cannot be detected by ordinary tools. It is possible that the 
"black holes" we observed are part of this matter. It may be made of the nuclei 
of super heavy elements.
Display More

Such a fact would appear to militate against the 'Young Universe' 'Big Bang' 
theory, wouldn't it..? It would take a LOT of time to build up such a huge mass 
of trans-uranic elements thruout the Kosmos...

Re: [Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[Che]

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> http://rexresearch.com/stuff/stuff7/adamenko.pdf
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There is another assumption connected with these sections and it refers to
> cosmology. It is known that there is a great quantity of "dark" matter in
> the universe, and it cannot be detected by ordinary tools. It is possible
> that the "black holes" we observed are part of this matter. It may be made
> of the nuclei of super heavy elements.
> Display More
>

Such a fact would appear to militate against the 'Young Universe' 'Big
Bang' theory, wouldn't it..? It would take a LOT of time to build up such a
huge mass of trans-uranic elements thruout the Kosmos...

[Vo]:LENR Insights from Proton 21

[Axil Axil]

http://rexresearch.com/stuff/stuff7/adamenko.pdf

The Proton 21 experiment informs us about the true nature of LENR. That
nature is not simply based on the detection of excess heat, but on the way
that LENR processes energy.

Quote from the reference

The Black Hole as an Experimental Artifact

A.K.: Now we are talking about things, which make ordinary physicists
speechless and the existence of super heavy elements an axiom for us.

And we had a lot of such cases – after our experiments we gave our samples
to other organizations and asked them to check them with their equipment.
And we did not tell them what these samples were. They brought us reports
and in a couple of months they admitted that they had no idea how such
results might be registered, for instance during spectrographic
examinations with lines which are impossible for these elements. "This is
not according to textbooks!" they said. They overhauled equipment, tuned
it, looked for malfunctions and obtained the same results. We told them how
we got these samples and they replied: "So, why didn't you tell us!" We
explained that we did it to keep the experiments pure.
But we have some things which could not be explained, for instance, "black
holes

A.K.: They do not "light up" under any light.

Adamenko: There are various methods of to analyze substances. One is
radiation by a beam of ions and registering reflected signals. We tore
secondary ions away from bombarded substances and analyzed them. And after
an explosion we saw how local sections (20-50 microns) appeared on a
screen. They reflected nothing no matter how hard you bombarded them with
ions. Not only did these smashed out particles of screen refuse to fly, but
even primary ions did not return. These are regions which absorb absolutely
everything, in any range of weight! Just imagine, you shoot a handgun and
the bullets simply disappear. They are not reflected and they do not pass
through. And moreover, the process of absorption has no visible
manifestations. This could not happen according to the laws of classical
physics. We gave this effect a temporary name – "black holes." We suppose
these places contain the nucleus of some super heavy element which has "not
grown yet" till its reaches its limits. A so -called "dump pit ."We spent
more time bombarding these sections (up to half an hour), and only then did
these "black holes" start to return some part of the ions. Probably,
saturation had occurred. These are interesting subjects of study.

There is another assumption connected with these sections and it refers to
cosmology. It is known that there is a great quantity of "dark" matter in
the universe, and it cannot be detected by ordinary tools. It is possible
that the "black holes" we observed are part of this matter. It may be made
of the nuclei of super heavy elements.
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Explanation:

The ash of a LENR experiment contains activated metallic nanowires that are
covered with Surface Plasmon Polaritons. This nanoparticle acts like a
synthetic monopole tachyon. When this particle receives energy, the energy
is reformatted by particle creation into muons. In other words, energy
comes in and muons come out. This behavior has been seen in observations by
Holmlid. This behavior has been predicted to occur in monopole tachyons as
described in string theory.

The Inside Story:
Quasilocal Tachyons and Black Holes

http://slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-11616.pdf

And following the link on page 19

The forces we analyzed in this section, which act to force excitations into
the bulk gravitational solution dual to the confining geometry, may provide
a gravity-side manifestation of this phenomenon. This effect is similar in
some ways to the description of black hole evaporation via hadronization in
[18].

Reference [18]
Plasma-Balls in Large N Gauge Theories and Localized Black Holes

https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0507219v3.pdf

LENR is not as simple minded as many expect, but a complex cutting edge
proof of many aspects of theoretical science.