Nickel cited previously several times.
Example:
AnonymousDecember 18, 2011 12:42 PM
http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/2011/11/possible-activator-for-gas-loaded-lenr.html?showComment=1324240950625#c4302940741857909284
Used LiH from
already bought the ticket... some things never change.
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
Le Aug 15, 2012 à 11:15 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
I'm inclined to think that some of the so-called green energies, especially
solar, will be worth the effort as the RD process continues to produce
more efficient materials and/or their specific properties for extracting and/or
converting heat into energy, and will play a vital part in Clean
There is a path to clean nuclear called aneutronic fusion:
http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/06/alternate-path-to-cleaner-brighter.html
At 12:36 AM 8/16/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Le Aug 15, 2012 Ã 11:15 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net a écrit :
MuKubre's body language was not good; I think
it reveals some level of reservations about being there.
-mark
Understood. He may have had reservations about
endorsing
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially more
available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob Rohner to
continue his work.
Agreed. You make many valid points, especially
One would assume that the manufacturers of these engines have done enough
due diligence to know that it works before entering into a license
agreement.
Ron
--On Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:36 AM -0600 Eric Walker
eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Eric,
I hope that you would not call that video a ringing endorsement. How many
ifs does one need to overlook before a polite comment becomes a bona fide
endorsement? There is a large gap between taking an interest in a
technology and investing your life's savings in it - or even in promoting it
First, since Papp technology is open source, and intellectual property is
not an issue, the lawyers are not going to get very far.
Next IMHO, Bob Rohner is not capable of getting the Papp engine to
commercialization.
Next, the Papp engine should be rightly feared by LENR advocates because it
On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:38, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
For you own edification, you
should ask McKubre if he is still has a financial interest and is on the
Board of one of them - if you want to claim his comments constitute and
independent endorsement of the technology.
I don't
From: Axil Axil
* First, since Papp technology is open source, and intellectual
property is not an issue, the lawyers are not going to get very far.
What makes you think it is open source? In fact, this appears not to be the
case. There are several patents in effect, even if Papp's
On Aug 16, 2012, at 14:15, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
to be frank - this whole episode is really becoming a joke and a
distraction to new technology that does work.
To be frank, I think you've gotten yourself in the difficult position of
disparaging McKubre's connection to all
This is a misrepresentation, Eric.
I have not disparaged McKubre's connection to Papp in any way - but merely
provided a framework to better understand the recent history of this device
and his past involvement with some of the other players, which he would
never deny.
Instead, I have
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
There is no doubt it worked, and little doubt that the reason it worked had
a lot to do with radium... same as the Papp engine.
Eric might like to examine the Paul Brown Battery also:
At 11:36 AM 8/16/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially
more available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob
Rohner to continue his work.
Agreed.
Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
There is no doubt it worked, and little doubt that the reason it worked had
a lot
This brings up an interesting side issue.
All of these devices: Brown, Hubbard, Papp, etc seemed to squeeze more
energy out of small amounts of radium (or other emitter) than should be
there. Finding out why could be an interesting pursuit.
If we wanted to invoke more anecdote in a similar
comes to play too.
-mark iverson
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
Terry, where do you find these gems? I bet that no one has delivered a
working model to be reproduced. How did
, not launch.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Inspiration
This brings up an interesting side issue.
All of these devices: Brown, Hubbard, Papp, etc seemed to squeeze more
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
At first it was done in USENET,
And before that, there were bulletin boards via dial up modems.
Geeze, I'm getting old.
Dave, it started with reading a book called Incident at Exeter back in
the sixties:
Whatcha wanna bet that PDGTG used Iridium tipped spark plugs, eh?
T
]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE must be at least
nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang up!
If devices of this nature are real then why in the world would NASA
On Aug 16, 2012, at 15:03, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Instead, I have disparaged the sloppy interpretation of what he said by
others, including yourself.
I am open to the possibility that I have misrepresented his position. Perhaps
all he intended was to encourage Bob Rohner,
David,
I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE
must be at least nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang up!
Wait! - this does not need to be related to CoE at all. If you can accept
that radioactive half-life can be changed by many orders
At 11:49 AM 8/16/2012, Ron Wormus wrote:
One would assume that the manufacturers of these engines have done
enough due diligence to know that it works before entering into a
license agreement.
What manufacturers?
Assume nothing about due diligence on the part of others. Often it is
missing.
. If that allows the energy release to be adequate to
supply the requirements without violation of COE, then perhaps so.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:31 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Inspiration
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
Harry
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
David,
I must be in the minority here with my expectation that COE
must be at least nearly correct. Perhaps that is my hang
defensibly without the first
half.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66744.html
-mark iverson
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
I must be in the minority here
At 12:38 PM 8/16/2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Eric,
I hope that you would not call that video a ringing endorsement. How many
ifs does one need to overlook before a polite comment becomes a bona fide
endorsement? There is a large gap between taking an interest in a
technology and investing your
Converting Atomic Energy Into Utilizable Kinetic Energy. Papp used radium,
notably.
The Radioactive element used in the Papp type engine is thorium an alpha
emitter, not radium. The purpose for the use of this radioactive element in
the Papp engine is to ionize the nobel gas to set it up to
defensibly without the first half.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66744.html
-mark iverson
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
I must be in the minority here with my
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
RE: COE…
Start here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg57015.html
COE begins with the phrase, IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, ...
For sci-drones this phrase didn’t seem to stick! All they remember is
...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
The first problem to be overcome is to make a working prototype to demonstrate
to others. Do you believe that the NASA guys are so closed minded that they
would not even take a look
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Expansion_Motor
This link shows the Papp engine under a dyno test showing just over 450 HP.
They would need to run some heavy cable to power that engine with an
electric motor to product that type of power.
There is mention of
in the freezer should be just about right by now... ya’ll have
a gr8 weekend.
-Mark
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 6:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
That is a good thought to keep in mind. We need to ensure
, August 15, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:31:31 -0400
(EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I was wondering about collapsed helium. Does the Mills theory support the
concept?
My memory on Mills' position is vague. However I fail to see
.
Peter van Noorden
- Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:31:31 -0400
(EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I was wondering about
Ah, no . you better recheck
From: Chemical Engineer
Atomic hydrogen carries an ionization charge last time I checked
Ok i stand corrected
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Ah, no … you better recheck
** **
*From:* Chemical Engineer
** **
Atomic hydrogen carries an ionization charge last time I checked
** **
I can't tell when CE is serious anymore.
T
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Ah, no … you better recheck
From: Chemical Engineer
Atomic hydrogen carries an ionization charge last time I checked
OK I will be serious. I AM SERIOUS - we are birthing maintaining and
evaporating micro black holes. Not really a big deal because nature does
it all the time. I just did not realize until recently and I think they
are everywhere.
Sorry, lack of sleep. Brian Ahern on CMNS did not like my humor
Well, 'Gremlins' will do that to one's reputation, unless your name is
Spielberg...
The more egregious gullibility - in evidence by many others as well, is
falling for the most recent iteration of the Rohner/Papp shtick.
PT Barnum surely underestimated his famous birthrate figure.
I am an indistrial engineer and have no reputation in the cmns field. I do
not care one way or the other. I am connecting dots and visualizing. I do
read alot of nerdy quantum mechanics stuff and my theory makes sense at
least to me. The gremlins and chameleons are just for fun and
Note...how much work is required de-ionize H+?
Harry
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok i stand corrected
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Ah, no … you better recheck
From: Chemical Engineer
Atomic hydrogen carries an
In reply to P.J van Noorden's message of Wed, 15 Aug 2012 14:18:48 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
Hello,
From Randell Mills I understood that only H can be a catalyst because the
atom has to be neutral. He+ is not neutral, so it is difficult / impossible
to collaps.
Peter van Noorden
Atomic H may be
Le Aug 15, 2012 à 10:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net a écrit :
The more egregious gullibility - in evidence by many others as well, is
falling for the most recent iteration of the Rohner/Papp shtick.
I take it you weren't impressed with Michael McKubre's eyewitness endorsement?
Eric
MuKubre's body language was not good; I think it reveals some level of
reservations about being there.
-mark
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
Le Aug 15
Le Aug 15, 2012 à 11:15 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net a écrit :
MuKubre's body language was not good; I think it reveals some level of
reservations about being there.
-mark
Understood. He may have had reservations about endorsing what he saw, because
there might have been some
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:
http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90
[...]
What is not known, and remains under considerable debate even now, is
how the energy stored in the magnetic fields is converted into heating
the corona
Lesson:
We have no freeking clue how fusion works
If the Papp engine really works, it shows us that collapsed Helium ions
work just as well as Collapsed Hydrogen ions...
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 01:56 PM 8/13/2012, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:
In reply to Chemical Engineer's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:17 -0400:
Hi,
If the Papp engine really works, it shows us that collapsed Helium ions
work just as well as Collapsed Hydrogen ions...
[snip]
...assuming there is no Hydrogen (in whatever form) in the Papp engine.
Regards,
Robin
Correct, I can only go on what I am told.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Chemical Engineer's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:41:17
-0400:
Hi,
If the Papp engine really works, it shows us that collapsed Helium ions
work just as well as Collapsed
In reply to Chemical Engineer's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:48:29 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Correct, I can only go on what I am told.
Note that any such H may not be in an obvious form, e.g. lubricating oil,
plastic, water vapour in the gasses.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com
agreed, my theory can collapse any matter albeit some requiring more energy
than others
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:57 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Chemical Engineer's message of Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:48:29
-0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Correct, I can only go on what I am told.
Note that
I was wondering about collapsed helium. Does the Mills theory support the
concept?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 11:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inspiration
In reply to Chemical Engineer's message of Tue
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:31:31 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I was wondering about collapsed helium. Does the Mills theory support the
concept?
My memory on Mills' position is vague. However I fail to see that there is any
great functional difference between H and
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Bastiaan Bergman
bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Lesson:
We have no freeking clue how fusion works
The heat of the corona comes from hydrinos and they are thrown off as
dark matter:
The best explanation for the Corona thermal anomaly is still ignored,
despite the preponderance of evidence. This is because the source of heat is
NOT nuclear and the mainstream demands that it be nuclear.
The spectrum of the corona is well-known and well studied, and all of the
hydrino lines are
In my Grand Unification Theory of Cold Fusion (Gremlins - collapsed
singularities):
A gremlin that has devoured/collapsed Hydrogen ions is nicknamed a Hydrino
A gremlin that has devoured Helium ions is nicknamed a... Helino?
A Helino might belch Hydrinos? or at least something similar.
On Mon,
On 08/13/2012 03:56 PM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote:
http://physics.aps.org/articles/v5/90
specifically:
The finding revealed that the solar corona was a few million degrees
kelvin, more than three hundred times hotter than the surface of the
sun below, and flew in the face of what was expected
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