Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I like the big picture approach, but this analysis is too oversimplified. The cost of making millions of wind turbines or thousands of nuclear reactors cannot be estimated as a straight-line projection of today's costs. Mass production on that scale would reduce the unit cost by a huge margin --

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Edmund Storms
Last week my 10-year-old Volvo station wagon needed an expensive valve job. It turned out it cost 4000 bucks! Anyway, I thought about getting a new car and I spec'ed them out. My car gets ~20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. I was disgusted to find that the new station wagons get 18 mpg city and

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: Just for your information Jed, my Forester, which is AWD, gets 25 mpg at 7000 ft in the city and over 28 mpg at 70 mph. That's still not as good on the highway as my '95 Volvo station wagon, which is a great hulking vehicle capable of carrying more stuff than most SUVs.

Re: Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-06 Thread Steven Krivit
Horace, You may be care to send this to Gustav GROB email: info at uniseo.org. He may have an interest, as well as an influence to see something productive happen with your ideas. Steve

Re: Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-06 Thread Horace Heffner
At 9:24 AM 3/6/5, Steven Krivit wrote: Horace, You may be care to send this to Gustav GROB email: info at uniseo.org. He may have an interest, as well as an influence to see something productive happen with your ideas. Steve I appreciate the notion, but I barely have time to read vortex and

RE: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Michael Foster
--- On Sat 03/05, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears the job of converting to renewable energy can be accomplished starting now, especially where long trades are not required. The capital cost will ultimately be on the order of 90,000 trillion dollars, but invested over

Re: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:23:50 -0900: Hi, [snip] Table 1 - Current energy plant capital cost in $/W Gas turbine 0.5 Wind 2.0 Solar tower 2.5 Nuclear 6.0 One MBtu is equivalent to 33.43 watts expended for a year. Multiplying the above values by

RE: Energy - The Big Picture

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
At 10:39 PM 3/5/5, Michael Foster wrote: I assume you mean American trillion, i.e., 10^12. In any case, long term conversion of energy sources needs to be analyzed this way. This is very enlightening. Thanks for the correction. I shouldn't post when I'm so short of time. Regards, Horace

Re Energy - The Big Picture DRAFT #2

2005-03-05 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: However, emerging capitalists should have their noises in the air. The smell of money is there. I meant to write: However, emerging capitalists should have their noses in the air. The smell of money is there. However, a little noise probably couldn't hurt if that's all it is.