Re: [Vo]:DIY electrolytic cell / fuel cell rechargeable battery

2009-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Horace, Your alternative explanation for the device doesn't work, see my comments in your text below. 2009/11/23 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: See: http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html I had no

[Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nothing to write home about: History of Science Controversy in Chemistry: How Do You Prove a Negative?—The Cases of Phlogiston and Cold Fusion** Jay A. Labinger* and Stephen J. Weininger* http://www.uaf.edu/chem/481-482-692-Sp06/pdf/labinger-1.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
[This is very sloppy thinking. Here is a message I sent to Labinger.] Subject: Cold fusion is not a negative claim Greetings. I discovered your paper: Controversy in Chemistry: How Do You Prove a Negative? -- The Cases of Phlogiston and Cold Fusion. I have often heard your central argument.

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/11/21 Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar: Yes. The problem with all these approaches will always fortunately be human free will Then there is no problem is there? Michel

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Mauro Lacy
2009/11/21 Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar: Yes. The problem with all these approaches will always fortunately be human free will Then there is no problem is there? Maybe there's a misunderstanding. I meant problem in the sense that the outcomes of the future experiments in human

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
No, no, all I meant is that since there doesn't seem to exist such a thing as free will in physical systems --fortunately for physicists!-- there is no problem. Unless we humans are not bound by the rules obeyed by the rest of the universe, which remains to be proved. Michel 2009/11/25 Mauro

[Vo]:Global Warming

2009-11-25 Thread Jeff Fink
THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM 11-24-09 There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that the scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming agenda have been suppressing and altering data. Temperature data recorded over the last ten years has apparently indicated

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Mauro Lacy
No, no, all I meant is that since there doesn't seem to exist such a thing as free will in physical systems --fortunately for physicists!-- there is no problem. Unless we humans are not bound by the rules obeyed by the rest of the universe, which remains to be proved. Oh well. Let's put it

Re: [Vo]:Global Warming

2009-11-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Jeff Fink rev...@ptd.net wrote: THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM 11-24-09 There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. Actually, I believe they were hacked. Terry

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:33 AM 11/25/2009, Jed Rothwell wrote: History of Science Controversy in Chemistry: How Do You Prove a Negative?—The Cases of Phlogiston and Cold Fusion** Jay A. Labinger* and Stephen J. Weininger* http://www.uaf.edu/chem/481-482-692-Sp06/pdf/labinger-1.pdf This is a common straw man

Re: [Vo]:Global Warming

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that the scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming agenda have been suppressing and altering data. It shows that some of them have been doing this, to some extent, mainly in ways that are

[Vo]:Re: Eagle-Research eNotice

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
I haven't looked at the referenced website yet, as I have little time at the moment. However, it seems this might be a future topic of interest on vortex-l, depending on how things go for Eaton, Sokol, and Allan. On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:09 AM, eagle-research.com eNotice wrote: - - - -

[Vo]:Hints at direct solar to hydrogen technology

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/11/making-a-simple-hydrogen- production-system-even-simpler.ars http://tinyurl.com/yft53y6 ... one potential route to simplifying things down: it might be possible to get rid of the photovoltaics entirely, ... the cobalt phosphate catalyst can be

Re: [Vo]:Global Warming

2009-11-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jeff Fink: THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM There is interesting news as a result of leaked e-mails. It shows that the scientists who have been pushing the man made global warming agenda have been suppressing and altering data. ... Speaking of agendas, read: THE FAMILY, The Secret

RE: [Vo]:Hints at direct solar to hydrogen technology

2009-11-25 Thread Jones Beene
This is more Nocera no-sera nonsense ... He now admits: It may not be anywhere near as efficient as some of the best hardware on the market Nocera said, it's off by about a factor of 10, in fact - but it's something that could be deployed even in countries without much in the way of a GDP. (due

Re: [Vo]:DIY electrolytic cell / fuel cell rechargeable battery

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
Michel, here I'll take another shot at getting things right. On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:48 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: See: http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/ fuel_cell.html I had no idea an ultraclean rechargeable battery could be done so simply! Supplies: - One foot of

Re: [Vo]:Hints at direct solar to hydrogen technology

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote: This is more Nocera no-sera nonsense ... He now admits: It may not be anywhere near as efficient as some of the best hardware on the market Nocera said, it's off by about a factor of 10, in fact - but it's something that could be deployed

Re: [Vo]:DIY electrolytic cell / fuel cell rechargeable battery

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
Gad. It still isn't right! Corrections below. I have vertigo at the moment and can't think straight. I've actually done half of this experiment, though decades ago, and it is interesting how the concentration gradient wanders, it doesn't follow what you would expect for any kind of E

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 25, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The paper, to its credit, mentions the heat-helium correlation. The authors then attempt to toss cold water on it by raising, again, general theoretical objections, and appear to be unaware that this correlation exists across many

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eagle-Research eNotice

2009-11-25 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:48:14 -0900: Hi, [snip] I haven't looked at the referenced website yet, as I have little time at the moment. However, it seems this might be a future topic of interest on vortex-l, depending on how things go for Eaton, Sokol, and

Re: [Vo]:DIY electrolytic cell / fuel cell rechargeable battery

2009-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
Horace, My comments below, some things are still wrong 2009/11/25 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: Gad.  It still isn't right!  Corrections below.  I have vertigo at the moment and can't think straight.  I've actually done half of this experiment, though decades ago, and it is

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Michel Jullian
I never implied the behavior of the universe or of any of its subsets was or could be in the future exactly predictable, we know since QM that it is not. QM leaves no room for determinism, which is quite an improvement over classical physics as it gives us an open future. But it doesn't leave room

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eagle-Research eNotice

2009-11-25 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: I haven't looked at the referenced website yet, as I have little time at the moment. However, it seems this might be a future topic of interest on vortex-l, depending on how things go for Eaton, Sokol, and Allan. Who besides the inventor has achived

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
History of Science Controversy in Chemistry: How Do You Prove a Negative?—The Cases of Phlogiston and Cold Fusion** Jay A. Labinger* and Stephen J. Weininger* http://www.uaf.edu/chem/481-482-692-Sp06/pdf/labinger-1.pdf I think this article deserves a closer look. It relies heavily on

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eagle-Research eNotice

2009-11-25 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: From: William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Eagle-Research eNotice To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 7:13 PM On Wed, 25 Nov 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: I haven't looked at the

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper, more detailed commentary.

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I think this article deserves a closer look. It relies heavily on Simon, a very good source. I *loath* Simon's book. Hate it, hate it, hate it! He looks at people's opinions and counts papers instead of evaluating calorimetry. Meta-analyses are mostly bunk, and they

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This is a common straw man argument made against the low-energy nuclear reaction findings. It arises from an assumption that it would be necessary to prove that cold fusion is truly impossible in order to convince the cold fusion researchers to give up. Right.

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 6:02:31 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable? I never implied the behavior of the universe or of any of its subsets was or could be in the future

Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable?

2009-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 12:27:43 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Galileo's DNA still viable? - Original Message From: Michel Jullian To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November

Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper

2009-11-25 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:48:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Labinger paper Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This is a common straw man argument made against the low-energy nuclear reaction findings. It arises from an assumption that

RE: [Vo]:Global Warming

2009-11-25 Thread Mark Iverson
Here is an analysis of CRU source code used in some of the models: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/crus_source_code_climategate_r.html But here's what's undeniable: If a divergence exists between measured temperatures and those derived from dendrochronological data after (circa) 1960,