Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system... if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated. if a system is too strict about what is tolerated it will block innovation. it is where Tenure system can help, or the fellowship that you find in some big corps... it is probably what is allowing ST microelectronics, Technova, MHI, to go on in LENR... it is what was finally too weak at SPAWAR... allowing a minority of irrationality, of lack of responsability, lack of watching, lack of need to prove is a way to allow creativity to survive... I agree also that english language, anglosaxon liberalist (european meaning, opposed to mediaval) way of mind have make the occident science as a monolith of groupthink... mostly rational but sometime locked... island of insulated culture are needed. it allow speciation, like darwin found... 2012/12/29 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Another factor to consider is the influence of the english language publications Nature and Scientific American. They have less infleunce non-english speaking communities so their dim views on LENR carry less weight in non-english speaking nations like Italy. Harry On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That's one way to view it. An alternative that isn't necessarily exclusive: I recall holding a public debate at the Ruben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego during the 1980s -- before the collapse of the Soviet Union -- regarding NASA's role in launch services vs the fledgling private launch services. During the debate an engineer from General Dynamics who had worked on the Atlas got up and declared that the reason the US government couldn't get its launch services running as well as the communists was that the communists executed corrupt bureaucrats, and that was what was needed if the public sector was going to be in charge of launch services. In short: The commies were good at communism because they had no private sector to tax, so they had to make communism work. The us public sector is the worst of both worlds because it has a private sector to tax and so doesn't have to execute it corrupt bureaucrats to stay alive. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
Theory/theology prevailing over experiment/reality is pre-enlightenment and it is highly irrational. On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system... if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated. if a system is too strict about what is tolerated it will block innovation. it is where Tenure system can help, or the fellowship that you find in some big corps... it is probably what is allowing ST microelectronics, Technova, MHI, to go on in LENR... it is what was finally too weak at SPAWAR... allowing a minority of irrationality, of lack of responsability, lack of watching, lack of need to prove is a way to allow creativity to survive... I agree also that english language, anglosaxon liberalist (european meaning, opposed to mediaval) way of mind have make the occident science as a monolith of groupthink... mostly rational but sometime locked... island of insulated culture are needed. it allow speciation, like darwin found... 2012/12/29 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Another factor to consider is the influence of the english language publications Nature and Scientific American. They have less infleunce non-english speaking communities so their dim views on LENR carry less weight in non-english speaking nations like Italy. Harry On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That's one way to view it. An alternative that isn't necessarily exclusive: I recall holding a public debate at the Ruben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego during the 1980s -- before the collapse of the Soviet Union -- regarding NASA's role in launch services vs the fledgling private launch services. During the debate an engineer from General Dynamics who had worked on the Atlas got up and declared that the reason the US government couldn't get its launch services running as well as the communists was that the communists executed corrupt bureaucrats, and that was what was needed if the public sector was going to be in charge of launch services. In short: The commies were good at communism because they had no private sector to tax, so they had to make communism work. The us public sector is the worst of both worlds because it has a private sector to tax and so doesn't have to execute it corrupt bureaucrats to stay alive. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
[Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
Daniele Passerini says below the subject of LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week. Harry Italian: http://22passi.blogspot.ca/2012/12/nuova-interpellanza-parlamentare-pro.html google translation: Thursday, December 27, 2012New parliamentary interpellation pro LENR On 21 December last year, while many were concerned about the end of the world as we know it today, someone gave its contribution to end it really, as soon as possible, and to see rise to the era in which a range of knowledge, now confined within the fences of experience of Chemistry and Physics, for example, will finally be joined together to give life to the commercial and industrial exploitation of LENR and the scientific recognition of a heresy whose authors, today, are condemned to academic stake by the Inquisition for the scientist mere fact of naming it: the ability to catalyze nuclear reactions cleaned with certain technical procedures ... *** Double Act Question for written answer 4-19306 filed by ELIZABETH ZAMPARUTTI Friday, December 21, 2012, meeting no. 738 C.4/19306 ZAMPARUTTI, Scilipoti, BELTRANDI BERNARDINI, FLOUR COSCIONI, MECACCI and MAURIZIO TURKISH. - The President of the Council of Ministers, the Minister of Economic Development. - To know - given that: the reactions are piezonuclear fissions of non-radioactive elements and relatively light (from the iron down, in the table of Mendeleev) that split into elements inert even lighter, without the production of gamma rays and / or of radioactive long-lived, but with the emission of neutrons. They are induced by pressure waves both in liquids than in solids. The first evidence of such phenomena in solids have been observed by Professor Alberto Carpinteri at the Polytechnic of Turin in 2008, using granite rocks and basaltic stressed in compression and subject to fracture; Moreover, in the even broader field of low energy nuclear reactions (LENR), significant results have been obtained recently in Italy and in the world (USA, Japan, CIS) in laboratories and research centers of great prestige, even at an industrial character; as a result of these findings, the Commission EU research presented in July 2012, a document entitled 'Industrial unit material forward-looking technologies: workshop on materials for emerging energy technologies, which reiterated the' quality 'and importance of experimental results of the research on LENR, internationally, that deserves more attention in this new field of research with appropriate funding far-reaching; there is now a considerable amount of experiments conducted over the past few years, with a finally satisfactory repeatability of the phenomenon and a presence of an ever increasing number of similar experiences from other research groups that observed under varying conditions of stress abnormal reactions, including those of fission, in addition to important evidence obtained from the laboratory scale to that of the Earth's crust (in the specific case of piezofissione); LENR in Italy on several research groups are at the forefront in the world, researchers at STMicroelectronics (Dr. Mastromatteo) have recently confirmed the possibility to obtain in the laboratory nuclear fissions of light elements and the same researchers replicated with a different experimental setup , the important results from the point of view of calorimeter, obtained from Dr. Francesco Celani INFN Frascati in 2012; there is a good reproducibility of the experiments of Dr. Celani and a remarkable power density obtained in his experiments, reproducibility occurred thanks to the collaboration of scientists and engineers from National Instruments and their specific instrumentation; There are also the progress made in the field by Professor LENR Piantelli, former University of Siena, in 1992, and the results promising, recently announced (at the technological center of Pordenone) by Dr. Andrea Rossi, the results obtained thanks to the collaboration with Sergio Focardi, Professor Emeritus at the Department of Physics at the University of Bologna; there are also other replicas independent of the M. Fleischmann Memorial Project and by French institutional groups have confirmed the results confirmed by Dr. Celani -: whether and what action it will take the government to provide researchers and discoverers of these new phenomena the full assistance and support of the structures responsible to coordinate all relevant steps to obtain any support in terms of equipment and resources (ie research funds), with the aim of deepening the nuclear phenomena also highlighted and reach, ultimately, to industrial applications of these reactions; if the President of the Council of Ministers intends to meet researchers mentioned in the introduction, the presence of the holder of the Ministry of Economic Development and head of the department of legislation, in order to identify institutional paths acts to faster achievement of the stated
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
You gotta love those Italians! Italian government officials and MPs have made pro-cold fusion statements in the past, going back many years. When the history of cold fusion is written, Italy's government and scientists will get a lot of credit. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You gotta love those Italians! Italian government officials and MPs have made pro-cold fusion statements in the past, going back many years. When the history of cold fusion is written, Italy's government and scientists will get a lot of credit. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
That's one way to view it. An alternative that isn't necessarily exclusive: I recall holding a public debate at the Ruben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego during the 1980s -- before the collapse of the Soviet Union -- regarding NASA's role in launch services vs the fledgling private launch services. During the debate an engineer from General Dynamics who had worked on the Atlas got up and declared that the reason the US government couldn't get its launch services running as well as the communists was that the communists executed corrupt bureaucrats, and that was what was needed if the public sector was going to be in charge of launch services. In short: The commies were good at communism because they had no private sector to tax, so they had to make communism work. The us public sector is the worst of both worlds because it has a private sector to tax and so doesn't have to execute it corrupt bureaucrats to stay alive. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
Another factor to consider is the influence of the english language publications Nature and Scientific American. They have less infleunce non-english speaking communities so their dim views on LENR carry less weight in non-english speaking nations like Italy. Harry On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That's one way to view it. An alternative that isn't necessarily exclusive: I recall holding a public debate at the Ruben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego during the 1980s -- before the collapse of the Soviet Union -- regarding NASA's role in launch services vs the fledgling private launch services. During the debate an engineer from General Dynamics who had worked on the Atlas got up and declared that the reason the US government couldn't get its launch services running as well as the communists was that the communists executed corrupt bureaucrats, and that was what was needed if the public sector was going to be in charge of launch services. In short: The commies were good at communism because they had no private sector to tax, so they had to make communism work. The us public sector is the worst of both worlds because it has a private sector to tax and so doesn't have to execute it corrupt bureaucrats to stay alive. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
