Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:57:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] I suspect that Mike Carrell may be one of the few 'regular' Mills' advocates on Vortex who still thinks that the Mills process does not create radioactive transmutation products after an extended period of time. [snip] The trick here is to use odd numbered elements wherever possible. Most stable isotopes of odd numbered elements have an even number of neutrons, so adding a proton results in an even-even nucleus which is (nearly?) always stable. E.g. Cu63 + p = Zn64 which is stable. Cu65 + p = Zn66 also stable. Al27 + p = Si28. etc. Unfortunately this means that Pd, Ti, and Ni are all bad choices. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote: It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp – after his second lab in the USA “caught fire”. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle J When did this happen? Is this the place where a MW generator was supposed to be built? Do you have any references? I haven't been able to keep up with vortex posting lately, so sorry if I missed it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote: It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp – after his second lab in the USA “caught fire”. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle J When did this happen? Is this the place where a MW generator was supposed to be built? Do you have any references? I haven't been able to keep up with vortex posting lately, so sorry if I missed it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Oh, I see, you were referring to the fire in 2000. On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] Dr. Rossi believed that he could increase the physical size of the TE Devices and maintain superior power generation. In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TEG Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices. [snip] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
Horace, AFAIK - Rossi apparently intends to fly under the radar at least in the USA, and there are no published references as to what is happening with his LENR work - except that he has selectively allowed (encouraged) a persistent rumor to circulate of extraordinary gain, validated by one trustworthy eye-witness observer who was apparently asked to spread the information. The logic of this is not clear, but it may have something to do with placating dissatisfied investors. If you search online for his published work and patents, here and in Europe, you will find the TEG work, going back a decade - which was apparently abandoned after being funded at high levels by DoE, followed for a few years of coal liquefaction work, apparently abandoned, followed by the nickel-hydride LENR. That later patent application is almost ludicrous, given the prior art. There is a common denominator on all of this research, however, although it is not obvious at first. As it turns out, in all three RD projects the active metal was nano-nickel is one form or another (usually Raney nickel) - even the in the TEG ! which is a surprise. Is there a hidden connection between thermoelectrics and LENR? Apparently Rossi is a world-class expert on nano-nickel. The other common denominator appears to be a number of disgruntled investors in the USA. Jones Correction: there is also a third common denominator, and it is 'inventor's syndrome.' As we all know on this forum, there a few creative if not brilliant inventors who are often their own worst enemies. Often, they find a glimmer of success, promise investors the moon and then move onto something completely different, when they cannot deliver. However, they often are working around the fringes of a great breakthrough, and sometimes if they live long enough - and keep the cash flow high enough - they can get lucky despite themselves. From: Horace Heffner Jones Beene wrote: It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp - after his second lab in the USA caught fire. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle :-) When did this happen? Is this the place where a MW generator was supposed to be built? Do you have any references? I haven't been able to keep up with vortex posting lately, so sorry if I missed it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Oh, I see, you were referring to the fire in 2000. On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] Dr. Rossi believed that he could increase the physical size of the TE Devices and maintain superior power generation. In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TEG Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices. [snip] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
Jones, I didn't ask about Rossi. What I am curious about is the fire itself. On Apr 4, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace, AFAIK – Rossi apparently intends to “fly under the radar” at least in the USA, and there are no published references as to what is happening with his LENR work – except that he has selectively allowed (encouraged) a persistent rumor to circulate of extraordinary gain, validated by one trustworthy eye-witness observer who was apparently asked to spread the information. The logic of this is not clear, but it may have something to do with placating dissatisfied investors. If you search online for his published work and patents, here and in Europe, you will find the TEG work, going back a decade - which was apparently abandoned after being funded at high levels by DoE, followed for a few years of coal liquefaction work, apparently abandoned, followed by the nickel-hydride LENR. That later patent application is almost ludicrous, given the prior art. There is a common denominator on all of this research, however, although it is not obvious at first. As it turns out, in all three RD projects the active metal was nano-nickel is one form or another (usually Raney nickel) – even the in the TEG ! which is a surprise. Is there a hidden connection between thermoelectrics and LENR? Apparently Rossi is a world-class expert on nano-nickel. The other common denominator appears to be a number of disgruntled investors in the USA. Jones Correction: there is also a third common denominator, and it is ‘inventor’s syndrome.’ As we all know on this forum, there a few creative if not brilliant inventors who are often their own worst enemies. Often, they find a glimmer of success, promise investors the moon and then move onto something completely different, when they cannot deliver. However, they often are working around the fringes of a great breakthrough, and sometimes if they live long enough – and keep the cash flow high enough - they can “get lucky” despite themselves. From: Horace Heffner Jones Beene wrote: It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp – after his second lab in the USA “caught fire”. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle J When did this happen? Is this the place where a MW generator was supposed to be built? Do you have any references? I haven't been able to keep up with vortex posting lately, so sorry if I missed it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Oh, I see, you were referring to the fire in 2000. On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] Dr. Rossi believed that he could increase the physical size of the TE Devices and maintain superior power generation. In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TEG Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices. [snip] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
I wrote: What I am curious about is the fire itself. That should have read: What I am curious about are the fires themselves. Did one of them affect the MW reactor effort? Is there no longer an effort in the US to build a MW reactor? On Apr 4, 2010, at 7:18 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace, AFAIK – Rossi apparently intends to “fly under the radar” at least in the USA, and there are no published references as to what is happening with his LENR work – except that he has selectively allowed (encouraged) a persistent rumor to circulate of extraordinary gain, validated by one trustworthy eye-witness observer who was apparently asked to spread the information. The logic of this is not clear, but it may have something to do with placating dissatisfied investors. If you search online for his published work and patents, here and in Europe, you will find the TEG work, going back a decade - which was apparently abandoned after being funded at high levels by DoE, followed for a few years of coal liquefaction work, apparently abandoned, followed by the nickel-hydride LENR. That later patent application is almost ludicrous, given the prior art. There is a common denominator on all of this research, however, although it is not obvious at first. As it turns out, in all three RD projects the active metal was nano-nickel is one form or another (usually Raney nickel) – even the in the TEG ! which is a surprise. Is there a hidden connection between thermoelectrics and LENR? Apparently Rossi is a world-class expert on nano-nickel. The other common denominator appears to be a number of disgruntled investors in the USA. Jones Correction: there is also a third common denominator, and it is ‘inventor’s syndrome.’ As we all know on this forum, there a few creative if not brilliant inventors who are often their own worst enemies. Often, they find a glimmer of success, promise investors the moon and then move onto something completely different, when they cannot deliver. However, they often are working around the fringes of a great breakthrough, and sometimes if they live long enough – and keep the cash flow high enough - they can “get lucky” despite themselves. From: Horace Heffner Jones Beene wrote: It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp – after his second lab in the USA “caught fire”. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle J When did this happen? Is this the place where a MW generator was supposed to be built? Do you have any references? I haven't been able to keep up with vortex posting lately, so sorry if I missed it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ Oh, I see, you were referring to the fire in 2000. On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Jones Beene wrote: [snip] Dr. Rossi believed that he could increase the physical size of the TE Devices and maintain superior power generation. In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TEG Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices. [snip] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
Horace I wrote: What I am curious about is the fire itself. That should have read: What I am curious about are the fires themselves. Did one of them affect the MW reactor effort? Yes - a fire destroyed the entire TEG lab. Then, a second fire destroyed another lab several years later. At least that is the story being told. Is there no longer an effort in the US to build a MW reactor? There is no RD being done by Rossi in the USA, on any project, including TEG according to a former associate.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: There is no RD being done by Rossi in the USA, on any project, including TEG according to a former associate. Has he totally severed his relationship with Leonardo Technologies in Bedford, NH, to your knowledge? T
RE: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
AFAIK - he is one of the founders of LTI, but one gets the impression the company is trying to distance themselves from him currently, due to their large DoE contract, and due to his problems with the prior unfinished (abandoned ?) TEG work. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton There is no RD being done by Rossi in the USA, on any project, including TEG according to a former associate. Has he totally severed his relationship with Leonardo Technologies in Bedford, NH, to your knowledge? T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
This thread is a lot about Rossi and not about BLP. Those curious about BLP should get off the Raney Ni speculation which as far as BLP is concerned was based on misinterpretation. The chemistries now under investigation and development include NaH but many others. Engineering studies for megawatt power plants are now on the website, along with a paper on the regenerative catalyst systems. I suggest readers do their homework. Mike Carrell
Re: [Vo]:Rossi BLP
On Apr 4, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Mike Carrell wrote: This thread is a lot about Rossi and not about BLP. Those curious about BLP should get off the Raney Ni speculation which as far as BLP is concerned was based on misinterpretation. The chemistries now under investigation and development include NaH but many others. Engineering studies for megawatt power plants are now on the website, along with a paper on the regenerative catalyst systems. I suggest readers do their homework. Mike Carrell Fortunately, for the comfort of all, no one here is under any obligation to do homework in order to comment. This is a newslist, not an academic institution run debating forum. It is unfortunate that people like Steve Krivit feel compelled to respond to criticism or comments when there is no obligation to do so. Such feelings can result in departure from the list or suppression of posting. Steve had a perfect right to post here without bothering to respond to anyone. Losing his contributions is a loss, not a gain, whether one agreed with them or not. Personally, I respond to responses when I have time and feel I have something worth the time to say it, and don't when I don't. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Rossi BLP
It may be no coincidence that BLP signed a recent deal with a billion euro Italian company (RadiciGroup) last week, and then widely publicized it in Europe (more so than the six other deals) despite it being little more than an agreement to do something in future if everyone agrees at that future time: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/BlackLight-Power-Inc-bw-1878425272.html?x=0.v =1 It is probably no coincidence that this company is headquartered near Bologna, where Rossi has set up camp - after his second lab in the USA caught fire. That Raney nickel can be extremely dangerous to handle :-) The license deal was probably in the works for a while, but it is safe to say that not much (if any) money changed hands, but there are always *strategic considerations*, and no doubt BLP has by now caught wind of the Rossi claims (and rumors) - and the similarity of that nickel hydride work to the BLP Patent Portfolio. and then . oh yeah, there is the aforementioned proximity issue. It will probably help Mills enormously to have a large company and ally in Italy, very close to where Rossi has moved his experiments, and with all of those pesky corporate lawyers on call to deal with any little problem - should Rossi try to license a similar technology. However, and in point-counter-point fairness, all may not be so hunky-dory for the Cranberry contingent. As a few of us have stated for some time, Mills' failure to deal with the nuclear aspects of his process will probably be fatal to his patent coverage in the long run, if it ever gets to court. And not just in Italy. I suspect that Mike Carrell may be one of the few 'regular' Mills' advocates on Vortex who still thinks that the Mills process does not create radioactive transmutation products after an extended period of time. Jones
