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Mike Carrell wrote: whereas if the 1992 Thermacore tests had continued they would have convinced everyone by 1994. It's really not intended to convince anyone, but to establish a track record useful in what could be a major patent battle. Even if that was not the intention I think it could have been used to convince people. I have seen many presentations about CF and that was one of the most convincing and dramatic. The thermacore units were bulky and produced a good thermal signal, but were a long, long way from commercial usefulness. With all due respect, Mike, either you are ignoring me or you misunderstand. I have already granted that point! Yes, it was a long way from commercial usefulness. Yes, that particular approach may never have become commercially useful. (I wouldn't know.) That has *nothing* to do with what I am saying. I say those cells might have been used to convince people even though they were not commercially useful. The model 1908 Wright Flyer was about as far from being commercially useful as anything could be, because it killed most of its pilots, yet it instantly convinced the public. In any case, commercial usefulness is an impossible goal for a first-generation product of this nature. No matter how skillful Mills and his industrial collaborators are, and no matter how much RD they put into their first products, those products will be obsolete six months after their introduction. Radically new first-generation technology always changes at lightning speed. Look at the early models of automobiles, airplanes, transistors, personal computers and so on. They look impossibly awkward within six months. Most are obsolete by the time they struggle out of the lab to reach the marketplace. Researchers can never come close to imagining the optimum configuration for the real world. What is worse for the first movers who introduce a product, as soon as they begin selling, competitors race to develop better versions, and their job is made much easier because they can look closely at the first-generation product and its performance to see what kind of problems it has, and where the customers does not like it. In other words, they take advantage of the first mover's inevitable mistakes. At best, Mills and his collaborators can only get a running start on the technology -- a temporary advantage. - Jed
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Jed Wrote: snip Researchers can never come close to imagining the optimum configuration for the real world. What is worse for the first movers who introduce a product, as soon as they begin selling, competitors race to develop better versions, and their job is made much easier because they can look closely at the first-generation product and its performance to see what kind of problems it has, and where the customers does not like it. In other words, they take advantage of the first mover's inevitable mistakes. At best, Mills and his collaborators can only get a running start on the technology -- a temporary advantage. I think Mills fully realizes this. He is no fool. He has pubished enough to entrench himself for a patent fight to gather royatlies for his partners and original investors. I have tried to indicate the nature of the applications problem in response to Jed's perception of Mills' secrets. There will be a rush of people building reactors and trying to duplicate the effects in various application niches, and they should. They, and their first customers, may well find that their devices are not as good as those produced by Mills' licensees and partners. As the many get better, they will find that Mills Co. remains ahead, for they had a head start, have better funding, and have been working their tails off. This is much too big for any one company. TV was too big for RCA, so they licensed everyone, built early sets in RCA factories under different brand names until others could get up to speed. Even after most of the patents had expired, RCA still made pricey license arrangements with Japanese companies for access to the Labs for consultaiton and knowledge of advanced developments. BLP may well follow that path. Mike Carrell
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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Didn't the Patterson cell suffer from Dr. Jekyll syndrome? That is, they had one (1) batch of beads which worked, and they didn't realize until they'd used them up that there was something funny about that batch -- no other batch of beads ever behaved the same way, and nobody could figure out why. Some people told me that, include Gene Mallove as I recall. Others disagree. I asked Patterson directly, and he told me he can make as many beads as he wants, and this is not a problem. I asked him why he is not doing demos, but I do not recall his answer. It was something vague. I got the impression he simply lost heart after his grandson Reding died. I do not know what to make of it. Assume for a moment the story is true. It indicates gross negligence and incredible stupidity. Imagine using up an entire batch without trying to make more along the way! How could they not realize until they'd used them up? What were they thinking? When they had a few hundred milliliters left they should have declared an emergency and pulled out the stops to do everything they could to reproduce the remaining ones, and they should have stopped testing them with a device that flowed oxygen pass the beads gradually destroying them. - Jed
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At 07:35 pm 05-05-05 -0400, you wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: By 1971 integrated circuits were already one of the largest industries on earth. Indeed. The HP35 scientific calculator was introduced when I was a sophomore at GaTech in 1973. It cost $635. I got my lab to buy me one complete with little magnetic strip you could feed through them. They were fantastic at the time. Such was the pace of progress that a few years later they were in the South Kensington Science Museum as museum pieces. Frank Grimer
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Grimer wrote: At 07:35 pm 05-05-05 -0400, you wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: By 1971 integrated circuits were already one of the largest industries on earth. Indeed. The HP35 scientific calculator was introduced when I was a sophomore at GaTech in 1973. It cost $635. I got my lab to buy me one complete with little magnetic strip you could feed through them. That was the HP-65 you're thinking of. It was programmable and read little mag cards. The HP-35 had no such option. The HP-55 was an HP-65 without a card reader. Pretty useless, since it lost its memory when you turned the power off, and it used an LED display so you couldn't just leave it turned on all the time, but it was a lot cheaper than the 65 and I knew people who thought they were really cool. I remember speculation that HP might conceivably introduce a version of the 55 which used core memory so it could retain its programs across power-offs, but of course core was already a dead-ended technology at that point.
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember speculation that HP might conceivably introduce a version of the 55 which used core memory so it could retain its programs across power-offs, but of course core was already a dead-ended technology at that point. Wanna bet? Shuttle used core memory (for reliability purposes) well into the 80s!
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Mike Carrell wrote: Let's see: Mills has published his book and updated it periodically. He has sponsored experimental work at universities and reputable laboratories before acquiring the present property. He has posted detailed reports on a long series of experiemts on his website. He has published critical papers in leading scientific journals, including the Journal of Applied Physics . . . All well and good, but this sort of thing will convince practically no one, whereas if the 1992 Thermacore tests had continued they would have convinced everyone by 1994. Suppose you put a dozen of those Thermacore cells into the hands of willing people -- people I personally know at institutions all over the world. Then you upload reports from those people to web sites such as LENR-CANR.org and Mills' own site. Within a year you would convince hundreds of thousands of people that these results are real. And you would place thousands more identical cells (charging the researchers whatever it costs for the materials). Within two years you would convince everyone in the world. This is what ATT did with the transistor from 1948 to 1952. They sent out sample devices to hundreds of institutions such as Los Alamos. It worked. Nothing else would have worked. What Jed apparently wants is the equivalent of Morrison's hot cup of tea. Well, it hasn't happened in the CfFworld either, despite Jed's urging. It *cannot* happen. CF researchers are not capable of doing it. Oh, please. Mills has kept nothing secret. There is no secret to anyone who has been paying close attention and who understands the the physics involved. He has kept everything that matters secret! He had the ability to convince everyone in 1992 and he has not taken a single step to do it. He told me in person on the telephone that he does not want to convince people, and that this strategy is deliberate. He also told Gene that. Mills publication strategy is a cat and mouse game intended to convince just a few people so that he can entice investors, form a secret conspiracy, and develop the thing on his own. That's more or less what Mills told me, and it sure looks that way. This is exactly the same strategy practiced by Reding, and by the Wright brothers between 1903 and 1908. As one biographer said of the Wrights, it was a tragic mistake. And a perfectly stupid waste of time. Jed's caricature. Why do you think that Mills has not trotted out a tea warmer or a house heater like some in the manner some in peanut gallery have been calling for? I think he has not done it because he is a fool. He could have done it in 1992. They did do it, effectively, at MIT! I have the data they showed right here. If I could upload 10 examples of this kind of data from 10 different independent researchers, I would convince thousands of people within weeks. Why do you think he has positioned BLP as a license laboratory to establish technology and a patent base and attract major corporations with deep pockets to carry applications forward? He is doing exactly that. And that is the wrong thing to do under the circumstances, as history has shown again and again and again. I think it will take thousands of people, and without thousands of people in hundreds of different companies he will surely fail. If thousands of companies had not developed the transistor, ATT alone would have failed. No. Bell Labs went after the transistor deliberately because ATT foresaw the rising demand for telecommunications and realized that mechanical switching, refined over decades, would not cope with the future needs. ATT nearly failed at commercializing the transistor in 1948 thanks to Shockley's ego and his opposition to Teal. A couple more mistakes like that and the whole development effort would have gone down the tubes. That is why it is absolute essential that many different institutions pursue development. Centralized development under one decision maker or Tzar never works. Mills is trying to set himself up to be that Tzar, which means the effort must fail sooner or later. By the 1960s ATT's development strategy had gone completely off the rails and would never have resulted in the integrated circuit. If ATT alone had tried to develop the transistor, 14 years later it would have been a marginal, slow unreliable replacement for relays only. ATT could not alone have created the industries based on semiconductors alone, that is true. But they would not have failed. They could have made transistor switches for the Bell systems. They did, in fact, fail by 1960, thanks to ego problems and bad judgement. See Riordan and Hoddeson. Furthermore, tons of entrepreneurial money and talent poured into the development within weeks of the announcements of both transistors and ICs. See Riorden and Hoddeson, or any history of transistors and integrated circuits. By well established corporations with the resources necessary to carry it forward. I still don't
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Jed wrote: snip Ditto claims by Mills and Correa. As far as I know, the only anomalous energy claim that has claimed any scientific basis in conventional theory is cold fusion. Of course many people disagree, but Hagelstein and others believe it can be explained with textbook physics. Jed's brush is too wide. Mills does not claim 'anomalous energy' . . . I classify both cold fusion and the Mills claims as anomalous energy. Anomalous is not synonymous with unbelievable -- it just means there is no explanation. Mills, unlike CF, does not have a textbook physics explanation. He proposes to rewrite the textbooks. That does not mean he is wrong, but it does mean he must be cognizant of the fact that most scientists will find his claims very difficult to swallow. I am sure he knows that! CQM is audacious. There is no accepted explanation for LENR, despite Haglestein's efforts. So far as I know, it does not have predictive value, in the sense of what to do next to get energy yield. Mills is not the first to propose a 'sub-quantum' state for the hydrogen atom, nor is he the first to observe exothermic reactions between hydrogen and ionized argon. However, he is the first to formulate a specification for a catalytic reaction to induce the sub-quantum state, and to conduct experiments to demonstrate substantial energy yield, which predicitons have been verified by other investigator. Flowing from his theory are simple equations which yield significant parameters of the first 20 elements of the periodic table with high precision, which are laid out in spreadsheets anyone can examine. Mills is much, much better and far more credible than people like the Methernitha crowd, Greg Watson, or for that matter Correa. But he still has a wide credibility gap, and he still has not made a real effort to convince people. The last thing he told me, years ago, is that he does not want to convince people, and that he likes things the way they are. (That was also the last thing I heard from the late James Reding while he was diligently shredding Patterson's prospects. Several CF researchers have also told me they like being big fish in a small pond.) Mills has pursued his research, systematically posting reports on his website for all to see, as well as updating his book, to be downloaded for free. The only people he has needed to convince are those who have funded him to the tune of some $50 million, and the executives of corporations doing due diligence toward serious development pratnerships. Public acclaim is irrelevant at the moment. Reding's fatal error was rejecting the buyout offer by Motorola, who has the deep pockets to pursue the technology, and perhaps the discipline to do process control, which apparently Patterson lacked. Many years ago Mills supposedly had energy producing devices which would have convinced any reasonable engineer, such as the devices he and Thermacore developed, described by Donald Ernst in 1992. Assuming those claims were not a horrible mistake, or for some reason they could not be replicated, Mills could have easily used those devices to convince the entire world that his claims are valid. I do not know what to make of the fact that he failed to do that. I am forced to conclude that: He did and still does. Jed is well versed in calorimetry. All he has to do is follow the thread in my earlier post on BLP future to look up the water bath calorimetry which shows an energy yield from hydrogen which is 100 X that of burning it, and that in a catalytic reaction with a noble gas! 1. Either the claims fell through for some reason I never heard about, or Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. His target then was utility boilers. The electrolytic cell has resurfaced as a source of hydrogen for his proposed automotive hydrogen filling station. The gas phase reactions have demosntrated high energy density, but scaling up to industrial levels takes lots of money and other skills. Same for LENR, in which *really active* cells are irreproduceable accidents. BLP cells just sit there and cook as long as you want. 2. Mills is stark-staring crazy, like most other people in over-unity energy biz. He has never claimed to be in the 'over-unity' energy business. His posture is that of a responsible scientist-businessman courting major industrial partners in the development of energy resources. I have heard many times that it is actually: 3. Mills is working on some ultra clever secret business scheme. Jed is again not paying attention, but jumping to conclusions, as the business plans have been posted on the BLP website for years and updated periodically. What is not publicized is *who* he is neogtiating with. But I do not believe this, because I simply cannot imagine any business strategy that would have worked better than revealing the whole thing back
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Mike Carrell wrote: Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. I realize that is what he said. His target then was utility boilers. That target is insanity squared. It reminds of the old Bob Newhart routine where a promoter is talking to the Wright brothers on December 18, 1903. He asks how many passengers can fly on the airplane, and does it have a john? He tells them he sees no commercial possibilities for it. Columbus discovered America in 1492. By 1505 there was a huge trans-Atlantic trade. As one person put it the great Atlantic has become a Spanish Lake. If Mills had been Columbus he would have kept it the discovery secret, and in 1505 he would still be negotiating the property rights to Hispaniola. Jed has done quite well as an entrepreneur in the tidy world of programming, which was made tidy by the efforts of hundreds, if not thousands of engineers who created that tidy world by doing battle with Nature in creating reliable electronic components, including microcircuits. I'm an engineer who has seen up close the pain to product development, the continuing agony of mass production of color picture tubes . . . Oh come now Mike. Where were we 12 years after the invention of the transistor, in 1960? Where were integrated circuits in 1971, 12 years after Texas Instruments first developed them? Was the 1992 Mills device really that much harder to make then the first transistors? The first transistor and the first integrated circuit were no more practical than the 1992 cells. If he had done a proper demonstration and invited experts from all over, by now he would be the leader of the largest industry on earth. - Jed
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Are you saying that Jeff Fink ( or anybody) has replicated the PAGD claims? Has he -or anyone- obtained results that might be overunity? Thanks -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Jed about Mills Jed wrote: snip Ditto claims by Mills and Correa. As far as I know, the only anomalous energy claim that has claimed any scientific basis in conventional theory is cold fusion. Of course many people disagree, but Hagelstein and others believe it can be explained with textbook physics. Jed's brush is too wide. Mills does not claim 'anomalous energy' . . . I classify both cold fusion and the Mills claims as anomalous energy. Anomalous is not synonymous with unbelievable -- it just means there is no explanation. Mills, unlike CF, does not have a textbook physics explanation. He proposes to rewrite the textbooks. That does not mean he is wrong, but it does mean he must be cognizant of the fact that most scientists will find his claims very difficult to swallow. I am sure he knows that! CQM is audacious. There is no accepted explanation for LENR, despite Haglestein's efforts. So far as I know, it does not have predictive value, in the sense of what to do next to get energy yield. Mills is not the first to propose a 'sub-quantum' state for the hydrogen atom, nor is he the first to observe exothermic reactions between hydrogen and ionized argon. However, he is the first to formulate a specification for a catalytic reaction to induce the sub-quantum state, and to conduct experiments to demonstrate substantial energy yield, which predicitons have been verified by other investigator. Flowing from his theory are simple equations which yield significant parameters of the first 20 elements of the periodic table with high precision, which are laid out in spreadsheets anyone can examine. Mills is much, much better and far more credible than people like the Methernitha crowd, Greg Watson, or for that matter Correa. But he still has a wide credibility gap, and he still has not made a real effort to convince people. The last thing he told me, years ago, is that he does not want to convince people, and that he likes things the way they are. (That was also the last thing I heard from the late James Reding while he was diligently shredding Patterson's prospects. Several CF researchers have also told me they like being big fish in a small pond.) Mills has pursued his research, systematically posting reports on his website for all to see, as well as updating his book, to be downloaded for free. The only people he has needed to convince are those who have funded him to the tune of some $50 million, and the executives of corporations doing due diligence toward serious development pratnerships. Public acclaim is irrelevant at the moment. Reding's fatal error was rejecting the buyout offer by Motorola, who has the deep pockets to pursue the technology, and perhaps the discipline to do process control, which apparently Patterson lacked. Many years ago Mills supposedly had energy producing devices which would have convinced any reasonable engineer, such as the devices he and Thermacore developed, described by Donald Ernst in 1992. Assuming those claims were not a horrible mistake, or for some reason they could not be replicated, Mills could have easily used those devices to convince the entire world that his claims are valid. I do not know what to make of the fact that he failed to do that. I am forced to conclude that: He did and still does. Jed is well versed in calorimetry. All he has to do is follow the thread in my earlier post on BLP future to look up the water bath calorimetry which shows an energy yield from hydrogen which is 100 X that of burning it, and that in a catalytic reaction with a noble gas! 1. Either the claims fell through for some reason I never heard about, or Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. His target then was utility boilers. The electrolytic cell has resurfaced as a source of hydrogen for his proposed automotive hydrogen filling station. The gas phase reactions have demosntrated high energy density, but scaling up to industrial levels takes lots of money and other skills. Same for LENR, in which *really active* cells are irreproduceable accidents. BLP cells just sit there and cook as long as you want. 2. Mills is stark-staring crazy, like most other people in over-unity energy biz. He has never claimed to be in the 'over-unity' energy business. His posture is that of a responsible scientist-businessman courting major industrial partners in the development of energy resources. I have heard many times that it is actually: 3. Mills is working on some ultra clever secret business scheme. Jed is again
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Jed wrote: Mike Carrell wrote: Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. I realize that is what he said. His target then was utility boilers. That target is insanity squared. It reminds of the old Bob Newhart routine where a promoter is talking to the Wright brothers on December 18, 1903. He asks how many passengers can fly on the airplane, and does it have a john? He tells them he sees no commercial possibilities for it. Pay attention: target was. He did get investments from electric utilities. Like any entrepreneur he shows possible applications for the proposed development. Power generation is still a prime target, but not utilities as such. Columbus discovered America in 1492. By 1505 there was a huge trans-Atlantic trade. As one person put it the great Atlantic has become a Spanish Lake. If Mills had been Columbus he would have kept it the discovery secret, and in 1505 he would still be negotiating the property rights to Hispaniola. Jed continually underestimates the capital necessary to develop a technology like BLP. Jed has done quite well as an entrepreneur in the tidy world of programming, which was made tidy by the efforts of hundreds, if not thousands of engineers who created that tidy world by doing battle with Nature in creating reliable electronic components, including microcircuits. I'm an engineer who has seen up close the pain to product development, the continuing agony of mass production of color picture tubes . . . Oh come now Mike. Where were we 12 years after the invention of the transistor, in 1960? Where were integrated circuits in 1971, 12 years after Texas Instruments first developed them? As I recall, the first integrated circuits did not cause much of a stir, because the computer market at the time had accomodated to the idea of cards with a few gates or flip-flops on it. The Army was investing heavy bucks inthe micromod program, which used stacks of ceramic wafers with components on them with wires running up the sides. It was the USAF who ***needed*** integrated circuits at any price and paid real heavy cold war bucks to fund the program. Otherwise, history might be quite different. All of that was based on well known technology, but a trememdous effort was required to get the circuit density up and the unit cost down. No such drive has been focused on BLP, or LENR, for that matter. The entrepreneural drive of applications came **after** the devices were available. you did not and do hot have people making ICs their basement. Was the 1992 Mills device really that much harder to make then the first transistors? The first transistor and the first integrated circuit were no more practical than the 1992 cells. If he had done a proper demonstration and invited experts from all over, by now he would be the leader of the largest industry on earth. Nope, the technology was not ready then. Why have the leaders not come to LENR demos? Mike Carrell
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From: Mike Carrell ... As I recall, the first integrated circuits did not cause much of a stir, because the computer market at the time had accomodated to the idea of cards with a few gates or flip-flops on it. The Army was investing heavy bucks inthe micromod program, which used stacks of ceramic wafers with components on them with wires running up the sides. It was the USAF who ***needed*** integrated circuits at any price and paid real heavy cold war bucks to fundthe program. Otherwise, history might be quite different. All of that was based on well known technology, but a trememdous effort was required to get the circuit density up and the unit cost down. No such drive has been focused on BLP, or LENR, for that matter. The entrepreneural drive of applications came **after** the devices were available. you did not and do hot have people making ICs their basement. For what it's worth, I recently read a fascinating book that described the history of the chip. How it came into being. Based on what I read much of what Mr. Carrell has had to say on this subject appears to be pretty accurate. Go to Amazon.com. The book is titled The Chip by T. R. Reid. I enjoyed reading it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375758283/qid=1115324620/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-2593695-8176836 *** From Publishers Weekly In 1958, before Chernobyl, before the Challenger rocket blew up, before the advent of Internet porn or cell phones that ring in the middle of the opera, when `technological progress' still had only positive connotations, Jack Kilby had a good idea, but wasn't sure if his boss at Texas Instruments in Dallas would let him try it. In 1959, in what would become Silicon Valley, Robert Noyce had the same idea about overcoming the numbers barrier in electronics: in a computer with tens of thousands of components... things were just about impossible to make, says Noyce. In his completely revised and updated edition of The Chip: How Two Americans Invented the Microchip and Launched a Revolution, Washington Post reporter and columnist T.R. Reid (Confucius Lives Next Door) investigates these underappreciated heroes of the technological age and the global repercussions of their invention. The enormity of their accomplishment was fully recognized only in 2000, when Kilby won the ! Nobel Prize. 3-city author tour. Copyright 2001 Cahners Business Information, Inc. *** Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, I recently read a fascinating book that described the history of the chip. How it came into being. Based on what I read much of what Mr. Carrell has had to say on this subject appears to be pretty accurate. Believe me, he got it wrong. I have not read the book by T. R. Reid (a Washington Post reporter) but I have read many books by engineers and technologists, and I am sure that by 1971 integrated circuits were a gigantic industry. Heck, I have computer textbooks and manuals from that era right here on my shelf, which describe the IC industry and its importance. I have a Hitachi IC from that era mounted in a tie clip. (I also have one of the last magnetic core memory units, which hangs on my wall.) Washington Post reporter and columnist T.R. Reid (Confucius Lives Next Door) investigates these underappreciated heroes of the technological age and the global repercussions of their invention. They were not underappreciated! Anyone familiar with the history of technology would recognize the names instantly. Furthermore, others who made large contributions such as Robert Noyce were also recognized, and rewarded with several orders of magnitude more money than you get with a Nobel prize. The enormity of their accomplishment was fully recognized only in 2000, when Kilby won the Nobel Prize. 3-city author tour. That's ridiculous. They got every honor known to engineering long before 2000. The Nobel award to him was an anomaly. Kilby was probably the first engineer in history to get it, and the last. The Nobel was never intended to be a prize for applied technology. It is for academic science. The people who invented the transistor got Nobels very quickly because they were physicists and chemists. There is no Nobel for engineering, and none for mathematics, supposedly because Mrs. Nobel had an affair with a mathematician. - Jed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... For what it's worth, I recently read a fascinating book that described the history of the chip. How it came into being. Based on what I read much of what Mr. Carrell has had to say on this subject appears to be pretty accurate. PS: Vorts! Humor me for a minute! Back in 1997 I attended the 50th anniversary of the ROSWELL UFO crash held in Roswell, New Mexico. One of the major attractions who attended the event was a retired officer by the name of Philip J. Corso. Back in 97, Mr. Corso, now deceased, had made a splash in the media by publishing a book titled The Day after Roswell. He had been on several TV shows talking up a storm. Corso claimed to have seen alien bodies that came from the alleged Roswell crash. He stated that he took a peek under the lid of a sealed crate and believed he saw an alien body floating in some blue liquid. He tried to forget what he saw. Corso did manage to, for the most part, forget about his Roswell experience until several years later, when he was working at the Pentagon he was given a special assignment from his superior. Several items allegedly taken from the Roswell crash site were brought up to Corso's office for evaluation. His boss wanted Corso to figure out how the alien technology could be reversed engineered so that the benefits might find their way into our society, and not just the military. One of the items Corso claimed to have carefully examined was something akin to what he described as a silicon chip. Something else he claimed to have handled looked like what we would call today fiber optics. The story goes that, with the blessing of his superior, Corso discretely took some of these foreign items to various commercial facilities and asked the RD departments if there was some way they might be able to profit through reverse engineering the technology. The deal was that these compan! ies could reap the benefits as long as the military had access to the technology as well. According to Corso, none of these commercial labs asked where the foreign technology came from. Most assumed it came from the Russians, and Corso was more than happy to let them assume away. I should add here that how this alleged alien technology was discretely introduced to various commercial companies was done in a complicated manner. I'm definitely glossing over the specifics in this brief accounting. One of the labs Corso visited was Bell Labs. He visited other's prestigious labs as well. The highlight of my Roswell experience was having the chance to sit next to Corso in an airplane flight while departing Roswell. We both were on the same puddle jumper headed for Phoenix, Arizona. Corso was in his 80s. He was quite the gregarious fellow. He didn't seem to mind telling a good joke including a few told at his own expense. Earlier in the event I have given Corso a T-Shirt that had on the front one of my paintings suggesting symbolically the concept of how reverse engineering could influence our society. It was one of my first digital paintings created back in the mid 90s. I have the painting on display at my web site. It is titled The Seeding. See: http://www.orionworks.com/artgal/svj/seeding_m.htm Fortunately, for me Corso remembered who I was and joked that he never got the chance to wear my t-shirt gift, as one of his grandkids, also attending the event, snapped it up. Corso was gracious enough to allow me to take a couple of snap shots of him pensively looking out the airplane's window as we cruised above 20,000 feet. We shared idle banter for most of our brief flight. I recalled Corso talking about his experiences with the Flying Tigers an air born outfit that existed back in WW2 in China. What I'd give a leg today to ask the late Corso back then on that brief flight out of Roswell was if he had ever read T. R. Reid's book The Chip. Obviously, the book made no reference at all to the possibility that any of the companies who worked on developing the chip had been influenced by any kind of so-called alien technology. I should add here that I see no reason to doubt the history of the chip as accounted by Reids either. Never the less, I would loved to have witnessed Corso's reaction. I bet he's slapping his knees as I write this. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
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At 04:54 PM 5/5/2005, Rothwell wrote: There have been no LENR demos! Demos may not even be possible. Utter nonsense. JET Thermal Products gave an open demonstration of a robust cold fusion Phusor system at MIT for a week at ICCF10. John Dash also gave a demonstration on that Tuesday. But then these demonstations were of overunity cold fusion systems. By contrast, the (misnamed) LENR probably cannot give a similar demonstation. ;-)X Demonstration URL is here: http://world.std.com/~mica/jeticcf10demo.html More on the Phusor system is here: http://world.std.com/~mica/jet.html Mitchell Swartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr. Mitchell Swartz JET Thermal Products PO Box 81135 Wellesley Hills, MA 02481 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
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Jed Rothwell wrote: By 1971 integrated circuits were already one of the largest industries on earth. Indeed. The HP35 scientific calculator was introduced when I was a sophomore at GaTech in 1973. It cost $635.
