Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Robinson Tryon wrote on 2013-02-15 20:09:


I do apologize for gumming-up the wiki with these oversized image
files. They really don't belong on the wiki. Perhaps Camille and I can


no problem. The thing indeed is, we don't have any handy alternative at 
the moment. But maybe that will change soon. ;)



work with you to find a replacement tool for storing all of our source
media! Or rather, perhaps we can take the lead on that task and
coordinate with you -- I don't want to take more of your time than
necessary.


:)
I'm still busy with the server migration, and the next server is already 
waiting, so I don't have many cycles left for other tasks at the moment. 
If someone else than me could take the lead, that'd be wonderful.



As a quick fix, I'd suggest moving it up to 10MB. Even though the wiki
is serving as our defacto repository for source media for design team
stuff, I think it's reasonable to have reservations about throwing
anything larger up than 10MB without having a really good reason,
first :-)


I've set it to 10 MB now, let's see if it helps.


I'm puzzled myself! A 3.8MB file and a ~ 6MB file worked. But a couple
of 4.1MB files and a ~7MB file did not, so it's not like I'm seeing a
direct correlation with file size. Maybe there's something about the
complexity of the encoding...bit depth...something that makes the
internal processing stop.


That's really strange. I've switched from ImageMagick to the internal 
processing for a test, but it didn't work either. Put it to my todo list.


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Credits

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

doing a fullquote to keep Michael and Thorsten in the loop.

Thanks for the explanation! Looks like it requires some setup work on my 
non-developer machine to get it running.


Michael, Thorsten, can one of you send me the final file, so I can 
upload it to our website? I assume you have it running mach faster than I...


Florian


Sebastian Spaeth wrote on 2013-02-13 14:37:

I have sent an email to Michael Meeks before, but I guess it went under
during the release activities. I told him that I don't really have the
capacity to keep the stats up to date, as that would require to adapt my
tool (which is designed as a generic git repo analyzer) more and more to
generating stats specific to this project.

This is how to generate the stats:

1) Check out the LO repo(s).
2) Check out the analyzer via mercurial:
https://bitbucket.org/spaetz/gitanaly
3) Get the email-contributor name mapping from Cédric via:
 git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/gitdm-config

4) Check the README for system requirements

Main stats:
~/src/gitanaly/analyse-commits.py -r ~/src/LibO -v -f
~/src/gitdm-config/gitdm.config
--sinceuntil=d387dace13fe1947ec5ad025ebd122ec6f13e3d0.. --no-plot

This will create the stats in /tmp/index.html

If we want stats limited to the templates, this can do it:

~/src/gitanaly/analyse-commits.py -r ~/src/LibO -v -f
~/src/gitanaly/gitdm-config/gitdm.config
--sinceuntil=d387dace13fe1947ec5ad025ebd122ec6f13e3d0.. --no-plot
--path=extras/source/templates


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[libreoffice-website] Bugzilla Attachments

2013-02-18 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt

Hi,

I wanted to upload a 7M Presentation to Bugzilla 
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56911).

But the Limit is 3M.

Is it possible to raise the limit? I think it's much easier for 
developers to download the attachments when they are listed under 
Attachments than read through all the comments.


Thanks
Samuel

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Bugzilla Attachments

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Samuel Mehrbrodt wrote on 2013-02-18 09:17:

I wanted to upload a 7M Presentation to Bugzilla
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56911).
But the Limit is 3M.

Is it possible to raise the limit? I think it's much easier for
developers to download the attachments when they are listed under
Attachments than read through all the comments.


BugZilla is not hosted in TDF infra. I'm Cc'ing Tollef, its admin.

Florian

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[libreoffice-website] IPv6

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hello,

I have just started to enable IPv6 for certain websites, including the 
main TDF and LibO website.


I consider this as an experiment. ;-) If anything breaks, please let me 
know.


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Camille Moulin

Hi Florian,
We'll have a look,
Camille

Le 18/02/2013 11:07, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi,

Florian Effenberger wrote on 2013-02-18 11:03:

it seems that the landing page in Chrome looks weird (logo is squeezed),
while in Safari and Firefox it works alright.


seems also older Firefox versions have an issue.
The original version at 
http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130215/ seems to work.


Did I made a mistake while copying, or does some other site element 
interfere with the CSS?


Florian




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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Camille Moulin wrote on 2013-02-18 11:17:

We'll have a look,


thanks a lot! I'm pretty sure I made some mistake while copying... and 
help is welcome ;)


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Camille Moulin

Le 18/02/2013 11:21, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
[...]

Are you sure it's not a cache-related problem ?
I had the issue in Chrome, but it disappeared after clearing the cache.
Did you change something in the meantime ?


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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Camille, *;

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Camille Moulin
camille.mou...@alterway.fr wrote:
 Le 18/02/2013 11:21, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
 [...]

 Are you sure it's not a cache-related problem ?

See my other post.

There is however a glitch when the  1024 width styles are used, then
the top halfcircle is not aligned with the very top, but there's a gap
showing the background.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

indeed - cleaning the cache helped. Took three times, but then it 
worked. Thanks a lot, and sorry for the panic! ;)


Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] landing page in Chrome

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Camille Moulin
 camille.mou...@alterway.fr wrote:
 Le 18/02/2013 11:21, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
 [...]
 There is however a glitch when the  1024 width styles are used, then
 the top halfcircle is not aligned with the very top, but there's a gap
 showing the background.

The height is only 162px on the smaller one, but min-height is still
set to 170. min-height: auto on the 1024 styles is ignored (invalid
property value)

I don't see why min-height is used here, instead of just height.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Donald, *,

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz wrote:

 Thank you and Adolfo for your replies. My main point was simply the huge 
 amount of work and that small teams are trying to do. (EO team in my case).

OK, I misunderstood it somewhat as all those stuff should be found on
one website.

 On 18/02/2013, at 1:15 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz wrote:
 [...]
 But doing screenshots of dialogs is getting easier and easier thanks
 to the gladification of the UI.
 What is gladification?

Formerly, dialogs in OpenOffice.org (and thus in LibreOffice) are
using a fixed layout, i.e. they wouldn't resize, they wouldn't adapt
to the actual length of translated strings, etc.

So Caolan made it possible to use glade (a GTK-interface builder) to
design the dialog and use those ui files dynamically. So to take
screenshots, you can just open the dialog definition in glade instead
of finding it in LibreOffice.
http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/01/24/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-100-conversions-milestone/
so far 100 dialogs are converted :-)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Credits

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Flo,

[updating credits page]

make sure to publish right away and not use request publication -
creating the diff for those pages takes lng, so better avoid that
:-)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Website Repository on FDO

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Rob, *,

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Miklos Vajna vmik...@suse.cz wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 12:50:40AM +0100, Rob Snelders programm...@ertai.nl 
 wrote:

 Can this repo be cleaned up? And the obsolete-tag be removed. Or can
 we move the bugassistant to a other repo so it isn't tagged as obsolete.

 Right now modifying the description of a repo isn't easy, hopefully
 Michael can help with that. :)

I moved repository for the bugassistant to
https://github.com/tdf/www-bugassistant now.
(note that I only kept bugassistant's history, and also moved the
toplevel - it is no longer checkout/bug/Readme.txt but
checkout/Readme.txt)

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] System requirements page update

2013-02-18 Thread Pawel Konefal
Hi all,

This refers to English site.
Does system requirements page need to be updated? I thought Mac OS X 10.4
and 10.5 are not supported (new features page: raising our base-line to
10.6.).
Why we're using Mb (Megabits) instead of MB (Megabytes, which are more
popular)?

Greetings.
Paweł

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Re: [libreoffice-website] System requirements page update

2013-02-18 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Pawel, *,

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Pawel Konefal polish.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 This refers to English site.
 Does system requirements page need to be updated? I thought Mac OS X 10.4
 and 10.5 are not supported (new features page: raising our base-line to
 10.6.).

For 4.0.0 they still work, however that might no longer be the case
for future versions, so indeed might be worth adding a note.

 Why we're using Mb (Megabits) instead of MB (Megabytes, which are more
 popular)?

That is a very controversial topic, so I won't comment on that :-) -
other than you don't mean bits vs byte but 2^10 vs 10^3 topic. But it
doesn't really matter - whether it is MiB or MB I personally don't
care - just for RAM the convention still seems to use the binary based
unit, while for disk space people seem to have found peace with the
decimal variant.

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-website] Re: Website Repository on FDO

2013-02-18 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Rob,

Rob Snelders píše v Ne 17. 02. 2013 v 00:50 +0100:

 There is a Website repository on FDO. But as far as I know it is only
 used for the bugassistant.

No, the 'update' branch is alive, and I think the 'tinderbox' branch
too.

  The cgit reports that this repo is obsolete
 but it isn't. Also is there a lot of stuff that isn't used anymore.

But for sure there are branches that are unused, like 'opengrok' :-)

All the best,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Some of more feedback for the new main homepage

2013-02-18 Thread Stefan Knorr
Hi Camille, Robinson, all,

 #1 Add outline: none; and some :hover/:active effect to the CSS of 
 the ‹ and › buttons – the first one to remove the ugly whole-page 
 outline around the right button, e.g. in Firefox; the second to 
 overcome the accessibility/visibility bug we just created. 
This should be fixed by now ; see : 

http://vm13.documentfoundation.org/40test/deliv_20130213/

Ah, good. And without creating usability problems

 #2 Make the page sliding animation faster – slow animations draw 
 attention to themselves, fast ones help the user navigate. I think the 
 animation is still in the first group. 

Which settings would you recommend?

Hm, my knowledge of JS debug tools is rather cursory ... so I couldn't try it 
in-browser, but maybe somewhere between 400 and 600ms would be better than a 
whole second..?

While I visited the page again, I noticed two more things btw:
* clicking Discover it breaks the back button in Firefox (big no)

* the slides carousel never stops – which is slightly annoying, it would seem 
better to me if it stopped after getting back to the first slide (just personal 
opinion)


 #3 Use a non-condensed font, e.g. regular Open Sans. The current font 
 is pretty hard to read, especially on the Discover it page. 
That would impact significantly the layout. I'll have a more precise look into 
it. 

Not sure, but since some slides's text cuts into the download button on smaller 
screens even now, maybe you'll have to adjust font size either way.


Do you have a rough estimate of proportion / types of config where it's ugly ? 
Looks rather ok on all the ones I checked (including Windows machines)

Haven't checked on Windows machines, I am personally using OpenSuse with 
freetype-infinality and hinting setting none... I've attached part of a 
screenshot, hope the list lets this through.
If you can see it, you'll notice the RE and the C, as well as the OW seem to 
jump around quite a bit.

Thanks for listening :),

Astron.



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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Website Repository on FDO

2013-02-18 Thread Rob Snelders
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Hi All,

Op 18-02-13 19:44, Jan Holesovsky schreef:
 Hi Rob,
 
 Rob Snelders píše v Ne 17. 02. 2013 v 00:50 +0100:
 
 There is a Website repository on FDO. But as far as I know it is
 only used for the bugassistant.
 
 No, the 'update' branch is alive, and I think the 'tinderbox'
 branch too.

Ok. Then the repository still isn't completely deprecated. But if it
is in such a illogical place I don't think many people would be able
to help with these websites.

Anyway Christian was kind to move the BSA-part (was in the
master-branch) to git-hub. And I moved the website on kermit2 so it
uses that repository now. The repository for the BSA is also cleaned
now of a lot of deprecated stuff.

- --
Greetings,
Rob Snelders
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Mail subject lines

2013-02-18 Thread Valentin Laskov
- Original Message - 
From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com
To: website@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-website] Mail subject lines


 It may be individual email clients are partly at fault. I have seen
 some automatically add a Re: to the reply even though there
 was one already.

Clients add only Re: (result is Re: Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-website])
 but not Re: [libreoffice-website] (result is Re: [libreoffice-website]Re: 
[libreoffice-website]Re: [libreoffice-website])

Regards
Valentin 


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Credits

2013-02-18 Thread Michael Meeks

On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 09:05 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 Sebastian Spaeth wrote on 2013-02-13 14:37:
  I have sent an email to Michael Meeks before, but I guess it went under
  during the release activities. I told him that I don't really have the
  capacity to keep the stats up to date

Yes - sorry for not getting on top of that myself or forwarding it :-)
I'm aware of the following issues that I'd love to see fixed:

* Credits page as of now doesn't split out the artwork commits
  anymore - which is a shame (why not ?)

* Credits page doesn't include commits to the LibreOffice
  code-base from before we launched - it's sad to loose that
  history - I believe that was just turned off  could be
  re-enabled: perhaps it belongs right at the bottom (?)

Otherwise it looks nice to me :-)

Thanks to those who got it updating; I believe we ship a snapshot / ODF
document of the credits with each release; it'd be nice to check that
that's up-to-date for 4.0.1 as/when we've got it updated.

HTH,

Michael.

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[libreoffice-website] about wiki localization

2013-02-18 Thread Daniel A. Rodriguez
Is there any way to find out which wiki pages are not localized to a
particular language?







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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site

2013-02-18 Thread Donald Rogers
Hi, Tom

Thank you for your extensive explanation. Your comments on the Getting Started 
Guide are very helpful. Our team has never completed the help localization, 
even in earlier years (OOO) when we had a much bigger team. I doubt that we 
will ever catch up. 437219 words are a lot of words!

I have had another look at the Documentation page of the Wiki and the 
ODFAuthors page. It is not clear to me whether these relate only to the English 
documentation, or whether they include the localization of those documents. 
Localization seems to be not covered. 

You know those items in the help that look like this?
bookmark_valueformatting styles; styles and templates/bookmark_value  
bookmark_valuestyles; styles and templates/bookmark_value  
bookmark_valueorganizing; templates (guide)/bookmark_value  
bookmark_valuetemplates; organizing (guide)/bookmark_value
I guess that they are used to construct the help index. Is there any 
documentation on this? We seem to have to guess how the users might enter index 
terms. If, instead, we could have a full word search, like Google does, we 
would not need these bookmark_value elements, and that would save us a heap of 
time!

Regards
Donald
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[libreoffice-website] [Bug 61098] New: ASKLIBREOFFICE: Upgrade askbot software to the latest release (0.7.48)

2013-02-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61098

  Priority: medium
Bug ID: 61098
CC: website@global.libreoffice.org
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
   Summary: ASKLIBREOFFICE: Upgrade askbot software to the latest
release (0.7.48)
  Severity: normal
Classification: Unclassified
OS: All
  Reporter: qu...@runcibility.com
  Hardware: Other
Status: UNCONFIRMED
   Version: unspecified
 Component: WWW
   Product: LibreOffice

Per http://askbot.org/doc/changelog.html the latest release of the software is
0.7.48. The Ask site is currently running askbot v0.7.43, which was released
last May and is missing many of the features and bugfixes present in more
modern builds.

Other Ask-site bugs (e.g. fdo#60108) are being punted until after the upgrade.

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[libreoffice-website] Text exceeding button limits

2013-02-18 Thread Marc Paré
Could Erich or Christian take a look at the CD/DVD web page? The text 
for both the DE and NA DVD extends beyond the limits of the button.


Thanks,

Marc

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=boxversion=4.0.0


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[libreoffice-website] Re: about wiki localization

2013-02-18 Thread Marc Paré

Hi Daniel,

Le 2013-02-18 16:41, Daniel A. Rodriguez a écrit :

Is there any way to find out which wiki pages are not localized to a
particular language?



Usually the language menu bar is on the page if there were localized 
versions or if the wiki page was considered important enough to 
localize. There could be pages that were localized at the start of the 
project that may not have the menu bar included. There was a lot of 
activity in 2010 with many teams working on many pages at once to get 
the project up to speed.


Are there any particular pages that you were concerned about?

Cheers,

Marc


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[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-18 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2013-02-18 02:53, Robinson Tryon a écrit :

On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com  wrote:


Silverstripe [doesn't give us organization or versioning for free;
we'd have to add that enhancement ourselves]

While it is certainly possible to enhance the code to do so, it would
be retrofitting it. And due to the history of bad requirements
provided by the community, it will take long time to create it the way
people would like it :-)


The less we need to develop in-house, the better.


What is easy is to have silverstripe provide a list of links for files
in a folder hierarchy. But there is nothing that would enforce a
hierarchy for a given file, let's say you download and edit file foo
from category writer, then I'd expect it to go back to category
writer - but doing that is all up to the user who does upload the
files.


I agree: That setup might put too much responsibility on the user. If
there's no 'sync my files' button or 'git commit -a', then it's going
to be hard for us to keep our repository tidy and organized.


For example I don't know what the problem with alfresco was. Only
reason I remember reading here was that people were more familiar with
the other platform for odfauthors.


I haven't used silverstripe or alfresco. If someone wants to give me
some credentials to an existing install (user: qubit), I'd be happy to
poke around and learn more about their interaction and workflows.


Also I don't really know who will be using the file-storage, and I
really lack a list of stuff that the file-storage should (would be
nice-to-have) and must (absolute requirement) be able to do.


Here's my first draft:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Qubit/Repository_for_non-code_assets#Feature_comparisons

Please feel free to make comments or update notes on that page. I'd
especially like someone familiar with Silverstripe to fill in
information.

After assembling that monster table, I found it interesting how well
MediaWiki stacked up. MediaWiki provides a solid list of our desired
features, and provides the best support for metadata and license
management of any of the tools I've tested. The biggest feature that
it's missing is tools for batch management (import, download, etc..).

Cheers,
--R



Well, as a bonus, if we went with Alfresco, we could also do a bit of 
CMIS along with it. :-) And, as a bonus, maybe Alfresco devs would be 
able to help?


Cheers,

Marc

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] RE: [Libreoffice-website] Wiki upload issues [was Libo4 Pages: new version 20130211]

2013-02-18 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 Well, as a bonus, if we went with Alfresco, we could also do a bit of CMIS
 along with it. :-) And, as a bonus, maybe Alfresco devs would be able to
 help?


https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/web-administrators/
This page mentions Alfresco as if it were still in use, although one
of the links is dead and the other mentions documentation, which I
believe is now over at odfauthors.org on Plone.

Alfresco sounds like a good candidate. I think the next step in
considering it for this purpose is understanding why we moved away
from it for our localization and documentation work. If there are
limitations to the platform, best to identify them up front :-)

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