On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:46:09 +0100, Charles McCathieNevile [EMAIL
PROTECTED]wrote:
If I want to note a word in something someone else said ('does emphasis
*change*
the meaning, emphasis mine' is what you find in current usage) which tag do I
use?
IMO this is exactly the use case for m.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:46:09 +0100, Charles McCathieNevile
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strong provides a strong emphasis, no?
Strong denotes importance (see the spec). This is a change from HTML4,
but HTML4 didn't really define the difference between emphasis and
strong emphasis anyway.
One is
2007/2/8, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...
I think I agree that m should be dropped.
...
+1.
Regards,
Rimantas
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On Feb 8, 2007, at 08:37, David Latapie wrote:
I also agree with Nicholas Shank that single-letter element shall be
avoided. We have only 26 possibilities, no more.
None of those 26 possibilities are doing anyone any good if we never
dare to use them.
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Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 08:37, David Latapie wrote:
I also agree with Nicholas Shank that single-letter element shall be
avoided. We have only 26 possibilities, no more.
None of those 26 possibilities are doing anyone any good if we never
dare to use them.
Agreed. However,
On 8 Feb 2007, at 9:42AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
importance is differen[t] from emphasis.
This is indeed what the current version of the specification says, but I
honestly
think this distinction is too artificial to work in practice.
HTML4 clearly defines em and strong as more or less (of)
On Feb 8, 2007, at 7:21 AM, David Håsäther wrote:
Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 08:37, David Latapie wrote:
I also agree with Nicholas Shank that single-letter element
shall be
avoided. We have only 26 possibilities, no more.
None of those 26 possibilities are doing anyone
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:59:44 -0500, David Walbert wrote:
I would be less concerned that it's a single letter than that m and
em are pronounced identically (in English, and in the other
European languages I can think of offhand) -- which would be
confusing if one were trying to explain them
On Feb 8, 2007, at 8:14 AM, David Latapie wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:59:44 -0500, David Walbert wrote:
I would be less concerned that it's a single letter than that m and
em are pronounced identically
On the top of my head...
(etc)
Fine -- you have me here on details -- but they are
Leons Petrazickis wrote:
They are marking the search terms with a highlighter. In an aural
browser, would these terms be read differently? Perhaps. Does this
transfer to mobile browsers? Very definitely.
How would an auraul browser treak these terms differently? I can perhaps imagine
some
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:23:33 -0500, Leons Petrazickis wrote:
On 2/8/07, James Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the Western world, the standard for highlighting is a neon yellow
background. I submit that a much better name for m is hi
(hilite, highlite, highlight). People don't necessarily
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:23:33 +0100, Leons Petrazickis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In the Western world, the standard for highlighting is a neon yellow
background. I submit that a much better name for m is hi
(hilite, highlite, highlight). People don't necessarily mark
text much -- if anything,
On 8 Feb 2007, at 15:23, Leons Petrazickis wrote:
In the Western world, the standard for highlighting is a neon yellow
background. I submit that a much better name for m is hi
(hilite, highlite, highlight).
I don't like the look of hi — it doesn't tell me what it does
very well. Maybe it
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:36:47 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
File: hi
Browser: hi
File: i have some html for you
Browser: cool
Like it :-)
It seems to impart too much of a visual origin too. Like b andi did.
I still think mark would be better. It's short enough not to be
annoying, and long
On 8 Feb 2007, at 15:23, Leons Petrazickis wrote:
In the Western world, the standard for highlighting is a neon yellow
background. I submit that a much better name for m is hi
(hilite, highlite, highlight). People don't necessarily mark
text much -- if anything, mark implies underlining,
James Graham wrote:
Leons Petrazickis wrote:
They are marking the search terms with a highlighter. In an aural
browser, would these terms be read differently? Perhaps. Does this
transfer to mobile browsers? Very definitely.
How would an auraul browser treak these terms differently? I can
On 8 Feb 2007, at 18:00, David Latapie wrote:
Problem with mark/m is that its meaning is confusing.
I don't think it's any more confusing than hi would be. See below...
And still don't see any difference with em or strong. How would
you
pronounce an important word? How would you pronounce
Geoffrey Sneddon wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007, at 15:23, Leons Petrazickis wrote:
In the Western world, the standard for highlighting is a neon yellow
background. I submit that a much better name for m is hi
(hilite, highlite, highlight). People don't necessarily mark
text much -- if anything, mark
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:23:59 +, Martin Atkins wrote:
As for aural browsers, they too can implement the above navigation
aid, but allow the user to have the surrounding context read as well
so that it actually makes some sense, thus avoiding reading the
entire document just to locate the
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:43:20 +, Martin Atkins wrote:
The *meaning* is that the content is highlighted.
The concept of highlighting something is not presentational.
When I'm giving a speech, I can highlight a certain fact that my
listeners might not have been aware of. (e.g. by saying
On 6 Feb 2007, at 07:57, Karl Dubost wrote:
unlikely. div and span elements didn't exist in HTML+.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HTMLPlus/htmlplus_1.html
Ironically I was just reading that earlier today, then saw your post!
(I hadn't been reading this thread.)
I wish the imagefallback/image
Hello,
I have some trouble inderstanding the need for these elements really.
Especially when considering the example:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-time
pOur first date was time datetime=2006-09-23a saturday/time./p
Out of sorting all the events that happened that day,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:31:05 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Just a little bit more serious
Now that we are going to implement meter, we need the whole of Système
International: kilogram, ampere, Kelvin, mole and candela (is
time a good replacement for second, I don't know)
Have
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:09:24 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
My concern here is whether this is supposed to be an absolute or
relative value. Would em level=3em level=-1this/em/em
result in an emphasis level of 2 (relative) or −1 (absolute). What
would level=+3 mean?
• I'd say: *default is
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:17:32 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007, at 07:57, Karl Dubost wrote:
unlikely. div and span elements didn't exist in HTML+.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HTMLPlus/htmlplus_1.html
Ironically I was just reading that earlier today, then saw your post!
(I hadn't
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:39:54 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Have you read what meter is about? Because it seems to me like you
didn't...
meter has some meaning attached to that the proposed gauge word does
not have. I would tend to favour this one.
--
/david_latapie U+0F00
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
(I agree by the way that doing it through some level= attribute is
silly.
We already have nested elements for that purpose and similar structures.)
Please elaborate on this. On www-html, you asked me to cover nesting,
which I did (or thought I
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:04:39 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:39:54 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Have you read what meter is about? Because it seems to me like you
didn't...
meter has some meaning attached to that the proposed gauge word does
not have.
On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:00 PM, David Latapie wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:17:32 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
On 6 Feb 2007, at 07:57, Karl Dubost wrote:
unlikely. div and span elements didn't exist in HTML+.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HTMLPlus/htmlplus_1.html
Ironically I was just reading
Hi,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:00:01 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
- LH (caption for list! A must-have)
Also... http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448982
Regards,
--
Simon Pieters
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:05:38 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
Please elaborate on this. On www-html, you asked me to cover nesting,
which I did (or thought I did) by introducing additions. I guess I
misunderstood what you meant by nesting. So, what it is?
I don't believe in changing the way
David Latapie wrote:
Finally, this is not theoretical, except if we consider thousands of
sidenotes as marginal
This is somewhat tangential to the Great Emphasis Debate, but I just
wanted to suggest that, in this new medium of ours, the relationship
between main text and note is arguably not
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:08:54 +0100, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
This seems like an entirely different point than the one you made
before...
And it is. I was very wrong on meter and I deeply regret what I first
said on this element.
meter was chosen over gauge for ease-of-typing:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:03:04 +, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
David Latapie wrote:
Finally, this is not theoretical, except if we consider thousands of
sidenotes as marginal
This is somewhat tangential to the Great Emphasis Debate, but I just
wanted to suggest that, in this new medium
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:38:50 +0100, Simon Pieters wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:00:01 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- LH (caption for list! A must-have)
Also... http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448982
Interesting someone else thought about it. They
On Feb 8, 2007, at 21:09, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
de-em, de-emph, subdue or other new element
What would the default visual presentation be?
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http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:21:08 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
Try to compare it with ins and del, it's an element concerned
with editing a document post-authorship, not marking up the
document's inherent structure.
Personally, I use ins/del a lot on my blog, to show updates. I
don't know if it
I might be missing something obvious, but...
When are ValidityState properties updated?
And when are CSS pseudo-classes (:valid, :invalid, :in-range,
:out-of-range) updated?
The spec doesn't say, so I tentatively assume they are meant to always
be up-to-date.
Many textual input
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:31:31 +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 21:09, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
de-em, de-emph, subdue or other new element
What would the default visual presentation be?
I'd suggest font-size:smaller
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http://blog.empyree.org/en
David Latapie écrivit:
Do you mean than focus is another subset of emphasis?
If you mean whether I think m conveys some sort of emphasis, then the answer
is yes.
I do not argue that a distinction between emphasis indicated by the
author and emphasis added afterwards is necessarily a bad idea,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:53:15 +0100, Øistein E. Andersen wrote:
David Latapie écrivit:
Do you mean than focus is another subset of emphasis?
If you mean whether I think m conveys some sort of emphasis, then
the answer
is yes.
You answered my question
I do not argue that a distinction
Hi,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:44 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What would the default visual presentation be?
I'd suggest font-size:smaller
small already has that default presentation in browsers. Why not reuse
small for this purpose than to invent a new
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:25:06 +0100, Simon Pieters wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:44 +0100, David Latapie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would the default visual presentation be?
I'd suggest font-size:smaller
small already has that default presentation in browsers. Why not
reuse
On Feb 9, 2007, at 01:40, David Latapie wrote:
small does not convey any semantic meaning.
In HTML5, as drafted, it does.
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http://hsivonen.iki.fi/
--- Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 9, 2007, at 01:40, David Latapie wrote:
small does not convey any semantic meaning.
In HTML5, as drafted, it does.
Yeah and I think it much more small much more accurately describes small
print than de-emphasis.
And since IMHO both and
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:48:42 +0200, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 9, 2007, at 01:40, David Latapie wrote:
small does not convey any semantic meaning.
In HTML5, as drafted, it does.
Are you thinking about that?
In this last example, the small element is marked as being important small
print.
On 8 Feb 2007, at 22:31, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 21:09, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
de-em, de-emph, subdue or other new element
What would the default visual presentation be?
One or more of:
none (i.e. same as span: 'inherit everything')
opacity: 0.8
font-size: smaller
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 01:18:51 +, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007, at 22:31, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Feb 8, 2007, at 21:09, Nicholas Shanks wrote:
de-em, de-emph, subdue or other new element
What would the default visual presentation be?
One or more of:
none (i.e. same as span:
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Mathieu HENRI wrote:
The current specification of the createRadialGradient( x0, y0, r0, x1,
y1, r1 ) [1] is a bit ambiguous about the colour to use in the disc
defined by x0, y0, r0 when a colorStop is set for the offset 0. Should
the disc be transparent black or
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:45:39 +0530, Anne van Kesteren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:09:24 +0100, Nicholas Shanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone else have better ideas?
Is it really needed? The idea has come up now and then, granted, but it
always seemed to me like
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:13:20 +0530, Martin Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The *meaning* is that the content is highlighted.
Or, as the first few definitions I looked at all said, emphasised.
--
Charles McCathieNevile, Opera Software: Standards Group
hablo español - je parle français -
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:05:12 +0530, Øistein E. Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 8 Feb 2007, at 9:42AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
importance is differen[t] from emphasis.
This is indeed what the current version of the specification says, but I
honestly
think this distinction is too
Le 8 févr. 2007 à 20:17, Nicholas Shanks a écrit :
On 6 Feb 2007, at 07:57, Karl Dubost wrote:
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HTMLPlus/htmlplus_1.html
I wish the imagefallback/image tags had made it through the
years. It's so much better than img alt=blah and doesn't suffer
from the
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