Re: [whatwg] Chipset support is a good argument

2009-07-07 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
As the Eolas or RIM cases show, patent trolls can wait for a very long time until they are sure that their victim has no way out. It does not prove that Theora is clean that Google has not been sued yet. IMHO, Chris

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 competing with XML

2009-07-07 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
A clean way to insert extraneous elements into SGML is to use NOTATION entities. This does not work for HTML and it has never worked, although TBL did have such an idea for images at the very beginning. It cannot be done because it is extremely inconvenient for the author/publisher and very

[whatwg] scripts, defer, document.write and DOMContentLoaded

2009-07-07 Thread Jonas Sicking
Hi all! I wanted to share some experiences with implementing the defer attribute on scripts. After the initial implementation[1] one of the problems that we quickly ran in to was pages going blank [2][3][4] due to pages containing markup like script defer document.write(something); /script

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-07 Thread Philip Jagenstedt
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:44:25 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Charles Pritchard wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Charles Pritchard wrote: This is on the list of things to consider in a future version. At this point I

[whatwg] Typo in 3.4.1.5 Phrasing Content

2009-07-07 Thread Ben Leslie
Hi, In section 3.4.1.5 Phrasing Content, the text reads: a (if it contains only phrasing content), abbr (if it is a descendant of a map element), area, audio,... I believe it should read: a (if it contains only phrasing content), abbr, area (if it is a descendant of a map element), audio,...

Re: [whatwg] Superset encodings [Re: ISO-8859-* and the C1 control range]

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:42:57 +0200, Øistein E. Andersen li...@coq.no wrote: Le 5 juin 09, Anne van Kesteren écrivit : Is the implication here that Shift_JIS and Shift-JIS are distinct [...]? No, Shift-JIS and Windows-932 are commonly used

Re: [whatwg] Annotating structured data that HTML has no semantics for

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Frank Hellenkamp wrote: I agree entirely. I actually tried to find a workable solution to address this but unfortunately the only general solutions I could come up with that would allow this were selector-based, and in practice authors are still having trouble

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Kornel
I'm arguing that it does matter what's in the spec, insofar that it should match what implementations do. Can we agree to disagree? We've narrowed codecs down to two. The spec could say that UA which supports video MUST implement at least one of Theora or H.264. All vendors can comply

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video -- informative note?

2009-07-07 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/6 Jim Jewett jimjjew...@gmail.com: As of 2009, there is no single efficient codec which works on all modern browsers.  Content producers are encouraged to supply the video in both Theora and H.264 formats, as per the

Re: [whatwg] Rel and META values

2009-07-07 Thread Jeremy Keith
Five days ago I wrote: No META value will *ever* become a microformat; the very concept of invisible metadata is anathema to microformats—it's impossible for a META keyword value to pass the microformats process. Should everything on the wiki page be marked as unendorsed or, more

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Kornelkor...@geekhood.net wrote: Similarly, authors publishing video MUST put at least one source in Theora or H.264 This isn't future-proof. It's also not reasonable if you happen to know that all of your clients' browsers support some third format (e.g. on an

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
Philip Jagenstedt wrote: For all of the simpler use cases you can already generate sounds yourself with a data uri. For example, with is 2 samples of silence: data:audio/wav;base64,UklGRigAAABXQVZFZm10IBABAAEARKwAAIhYAQACABAAZGF0YQQA. Yes you can use this method, and with the

[whatwg] About the video codec supported in HTML5

2009-07-07 Thread SA Alfonso Baqueiro
In the lack of agreement. Instead of removing the video section from the spec, we should be DEMOCRATIC, the codec that more vendors support should get in the spec, like the goverments are elected. In this case Ogg Theora will be suported by 3 vendors except Safari, so 3 vs 1, it should get in.

Re: [whatwg] About the video codec supported in HTML5

2009-07-07 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, SA Alfonso Baqueiroabaque...@gmail.com wrote: In the lack of agreement. Instead of removing the video section from the spec, we should be DEMOCRATIC, the codec that more vendors support should get in the spec, like the goverments are elected. Unfortunately,

Re: [whatwg] About the video codec supported in HTML5

2009-07-07 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:37 AM, SA Alfonso Baqueiro abaque...@gmail.comwrote: In the lack of agreement. Instead of removing the video section from the spec, we should be DEMOCRATIC, the codec that more vendors support should get in the spec, like the goverments are elected. In this case

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-07 Thread Philip Jagenstedt
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:52:29 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Philip Jagenstedt wrote: For all of the simpler use cases you can already generate sounds yourself with a data uri. For example, with is 2 samples of silence:

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-07-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 7/7/09 1:10 PM, Philip Jagenstedt wrote: On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:52:29 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Philip Jagenstedt wrote: For all of the simpler use cases you can already generate sounds yourself with a data uri. For example, with is 2 samples of silence:

Re: [whatwg] Issues with Web Sockets API

2009-07-07 Thread Michael Nordman
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, James Robinson wrote: 0) postMessage() looks as if it is intended to mimic MessagePort.postMessage(), but the arguments and error conditions are different. While it would be conceptually nice to treat

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for video and audio

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Kornel wrote: I'm arguing that it does matter what's in the spec, insofar that it should match what implementations do. Can we agree to disagree? I'm not trying to convince you; I'm just explaining why the spec doesn't require Theora support right now. We've

Re: [whatwg] Issues with Web Sockets API

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Michael Nordman wrote: I think when we add support for file upload, we'll make it so that it automagically supports this case. That is, you'll say upload this file in small bits and then if you later say send this text message, the text message will be sent before

Re: [whatwg] (no subject)

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Ric Hardacre wrote: Essentially the proposal is for a static DOM object which has read only settings exposed to javascript (ultimately one day sendable via HTTP to the web server to superceed UserAgent sniffing), the browser would be left with the task of presenting the

Re: [whatwg] Helping people seaching for content filtered by license

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Jeff Walden wrote: On 8.6.09 17:33, Ian Hickson wrote: - Search engines shouldn't be the gatekeeper when it comes to valid and invalid licenses. New licenses shouldn't be discouraged as they're vital to keep up with ever changing laws around the world. I

Re: [whatwg] Limit on number of parallel Workers.

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
I include below, for the record, a set of e-mails on the topic of settings limits on Workers to avoid DOS attacks. As with other such topics, the HTML5 spec allows more or less any arbitrary behaviour in the face of hardware limitations. There are a variety of different implementations

Re: [whatwg] on bibtex-in-html5

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
Based on the feedback below, I've removed the BibTeX vocabulary from HTML5. The primary use case -- enabling drag-and-drop in a manner that the target document could automatically add a reference to the source document -- can still be done between cooperating sources, it's just no longer a

Re: [whatwg] Reserving id attribute values?

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Giovanni Campagna wrote: 2009/6/10 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch: On Tue, 19 May 2009, Brett Zamir wrote: In order to comply with XML ID requirements in XML, and facilitate future transitions to XML, can HTML 5 explicitly encourage id attribute values to follow this

Re: [whatwg] DOM3 Load and Save for simple parsing/serialization?

2009-07-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Brett Zamir wrote: On Mon, 18 May 2009, Brett Zamir wrote: Has any thought been given to standardizing on at least a part of DOM Level 3 Load and Save in HTML5? DOM3 Load and Save is already standardised as far as I can tell. I don't see why HTML5 would have

Re: [whatwg] Need UNIFIED UI for web browser plugin security settings.

2009-07-07 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Samstag, den 04.07.2009, 16:55 -0400 schrieb Biju: A web browser with plugin is supposed to work as a seamless integrated single system. But they are not for security setting UI. Each comes up with their own UI to confuse users. I'd recommend directly talking to implementors about their