Re: [whatwg] registerProtocolHandler - allow site to specify more info and do custom handling

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Michael A. Puls II wrote: 3. URI to a help page where the site explains how it makes uses of registerProtocolHandler and gives help and support contacts etc. The UA can already keep track of the page from which the user registered the handler, which seems

Re: [whatwg] Is there any reason for the continued existence of enctype attribute at the form element

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Kaplun wrote: I have only learned now that there is a text/plain option that I have never heard of, so maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that there are only two forms of form, a textual and a file upload. IMHO the browser can inspect the form before submitting

Re: [whatwg] Is there any reason for the continued existence of enctype attribute at the form element

2009-10-11 Thread Simon Pieters
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:38:51 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Kaplun wrote: I have only learned now that there is a text/plain option that I have never heard of, so maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that there are only two forms of form, a textual and a

Re: [whatwg] Is there any reason for the continued existence of enctype attribute at the form element

2009-10-11 Thread Mark Kaplun
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Mark Kaplun wrote: I have only learned now that there is a text/plain option that I have never heard of, so maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that there are only two forms of form, a textual and a file upload. IMHO the browser can inspect the form

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Peter Brawley p...@artfulsoftware.com wrote: Edouard, Use case: displaying tree-based content (editable or not). (Note: I'm omitting the database aspect because it only matters on the server side: once on the client, the page doesn't care whether the data comes

Re: [whatwg] Some discrepencies and example remarks

2009-10-11 Thread Jeremy Keith
Evert wrote: I am still having problems accepting the differences between section and article though. I understand when to use one over the other, but what was the background for choosing two elements instead of one? What is the drawback of defining just one in the spec (either section or

Re: [whatwg] Is there any reason for the continued existence of enctype attribute at the form element

2009-10-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/11/09 6:59 AM, Mark Kaplun wrote: I think that in practice no one is writing his own mime handling routines to handle the data in a post message, and people just use a framework which handles it for them. While this may be true (and I'm not sure it's as true as one would like) some of

Re: [whatwg] Is there any reason for the continued existence of enctype attribute at the form element

2009-10-11 Thread Mark Kaplun
Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/11/09 6:59 AM, Mark Kaplun wrote: I think that in practice no one is writing his own mime handling routines to handle the data in a post message, and people just use a framework which handles it for them. While this may be true (and I'm not sure it's as true as

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread Peter Brawley
Edouard, 1) Your example with phpMyAdmin (PMA for short) is slightly wrong (and I'm speaking with several years of experience using it): I just did a bit of testing on my PMA 2.11.9.4 installation and bookmarking works fine down to a reasonable degree: of course, I can't bookmark a row itself

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread David Workman
Oops, only sent this to one recipient earlier. 2009/10/11 David Workman workm...@gmail.com Peter, From reading this discussion, I think you've slightly missed a salient point with regards to the current state of play with frames. Frames aren't in HTML 4.01 Strict, they were moved into

Re: [whatwg] registerProtocolHandler - allow site to specify more info and do custom handling

2009-10-11 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:09:56 -0400, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Michael A. Puls II wrote: 3. URI to a help page where the site explains how it makes uses of registerProtocolHandler and gives help and support contacts etc. The UA can already keep track of the

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Peter Brawley p...@artfulsoftware.com wrote: In a treeview, node=row, detail page=row. It must be possible to block bookmarking of individual rows and columns. That's the default behavior with either frameset or table+iframe; and it can even be achieved with the

Re: [whatwg] Drag-and-drop feedback

2009-10-11 Thread Garrett Smith
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: (Note: feedback relating to drag-and-drop of files from the filesystem, with possible uploading of content, isn't included in this e-mail. I am waiting to see what happens with the Web Apps File Upload spec.) On Mon, 30 Apr

Re: [whatwg] Navigation events generated during unload

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/5/09 9:01 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Any suggestions? What do browsers actually do, white-box wise? Gecko forbids most navigation between firing unload and the newly loading page becoming the current page. most means all history navigation

Re: [whatwg] default values stepDown() and stepUp() methods

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Scott Gonz�lez wrote: The stepDown() and stepUp() methods both take a single parameter to define how many steps should be taken. There is currently no default value for this parameter which means calling element.stepUp() takes zero steps, which essentially means that it

Re: [whatwg] document.head

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Hallvord R M Steen wrote: You might think so. However, as Michael stated above Opera used to do this, and it broke a number of websites that expected documentElement.firstChild to be HEAD no matter what the actual markup looked like. So we had to implement a somewhat

Re: [whatwg] Experiments in end-tag attributes

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Schuyler Duveen wrote: The html-parsing section of the spec and the browsers I've tested [1] seem to be doing the right thing, however I'd love if this was noted as a conforming pattern. Probably more testing is prudent. PROBLEM: p id=something-here [ massive

Re: [whatwg] 4.10.5 - value of hidden inputs

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: If we have this page: htmlbody input type=hidden value=foo id=i script type=text/javascript var i = document.getElementById('i'); i.value = 'bar'; alert( i.getAttribute('value') ); /script /body/html What should the alert display? It

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread Mike Ressler
PB, You could add an attribute to the link displayed by a tree control that would cause the server to kick the user back to the tree view rather than the row view, if that's what you're trying to prevent (direct access to leaf elements of the tree). Something like

Re: [whatwg] framesets

2009-10-11 Thread Peter Brawley
Eduard, The requirements for a project are a completely independent concept of the requirements for a feature on a specification. On that view of yours, I am wasting my time discussing the matter with you. PB

Re: [whatwg] Navigation events generated during unload

2009-10-11 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/11/09 9:04 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/navigation/unload/cross-origin/004.html I couldn't work out what Gecko is doing with it. I'm not sure what's unclear. The click starts the load of http://another.domain.libpr0n.com/pass and then the

Re: [whatwg] Navigation events generated during unload

2009-10-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 10/11/09 9:04 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/navigation/unload/cross-origin/004.html I couldn't work out what Gecko is doing with it. I'm not sure what's unclear. The click starts the load of