Re: [whatwg] Java language bindings for HTML5

2010-05-19 Thread Shiki Okasaka
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:38:21 +0200, Shiki Okasaka sh...@google.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Kühn Wolfgang wo.ku...@enbw.com wrote: Hi, As for the html5 elements, will there be a new package

Re: [whatwg] Java language bindings for HTML5

2010-05-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 19 May 2010 08:40:16 +0200, Shiki Okasaka sh...@google.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Can't they all just use org.w3c.dom? We cannot make the interface names overlap anyway. I think one module name for all of the Web platform

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:52:53 +0200, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: I wonder how it relates to the device proposal already in the draft. In theory that supports microphone input too. It would be possible

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:30:01 +0200, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: Yes, I agree with that. The tricky issue, as Olli points out, is whether and when the 'error' event should fire when recognition is aborted because the user moves away or gets an alert. What does XMLHttpRequest do?

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread Satish Sampath
I don't really see how the problem is the same as with synchronous XMLHttpRequest. When you do a synchronous request nothing happens to the event loop so an alert() dialog could never happen. I think you want recording to continue though. Having a simple dialog stop video conferencing for

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 19 May 2010 10:22:54 +0200, Satish Sampath sat...@google.com wrote: I don't really see how the problem is the same as with synchronous XMLHttpRequest. When you do a synchronous request nothing happens to the event loop so an alert() dialog could never happen. I think you want recording

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread James Salsman
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:52:53 +0200, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: ... Advantages of the speech input element: - Web app developers do not need to build and maintain a speech recognition service. But

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread Jeremy Orlow
Has anyone spent any time imagining what a microphone/video-camera API that supports the video conference use case might look like? If so, it'd be great to see a link. My guess is that it's going to be much more complicated and much more invasive security wise. Looking at Bjorn's proposal, it

Re: [whatwg] Java language bindings for HTML5

2010-05-19 Thread Kühn Wolfgang
Hi, In the future, I see a lot of libraries soft-implementing WebIDL interfaces without binding against a standard interface, may it be Java, C# or C++. This is not good for many reasons. The most obvious are that consumers cannot exchange implementations, and that implementors have no tool

Re: [whatwg] Window events that bubble?

2010-05-19 Thread Randy Drielinger
Of course, in a theoretical future where we'd add an object above the Window object, these events would bubble to that object. But that's not the case today as no such object exists. This is actually already used nowadays. Whenever you implement a browser object in another application (like

[whatwg] Fwd: INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-05-19 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Forwarding a message 'cause I forgot to CC WHATWG so it got stuck in moderation. -- Forwarded message -- From: bjartur svartma...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:20:30 + Subject: Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed To: Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-05-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding a message 'cause I forgot to CC WHATWG so it got stuck in moderation. -- Forwarded message -- From: bjartur svartma...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:20:30 + Subject: Re:

Re: [whatwg] Fwd: INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2010-05-19 Thread bjartur
This all seems way too abstract - I think you are arguing for the wrong case with the right reasons. But in any case, you should try and make an example markup with your ideas and check if it really gives you what you think it will. I have sincere doubts. Yeah, maybe my crazy idealism

[whatwg] Need more diagnostic information for ApplicationCache events

2010-05-19 Thread Patrick Mueller
I've been playing with application cache for a while now, and found the diagnostic information available to be sorely lacking. For example, to diagnose user-land errors that occur when using appcache, this is the only practical tool I have at my disposal: tail -f /var/log/apache2/access_log

Re: [whatwg] Java language bindings for HTML5

2010-05-19 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 5/19/10 5:41 AM, Kühn Wolfgang wrote: C++ WebCore.html.HTMLCanvasElement (WebKit) dom.nsIDOMHTMLCanvasElement (Firefox) Mozilla nsI* interfaces, if they continue to exist, should be treated as internal. We have little interest in binding to a frozen interface definition.

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread David Singer
I am a little concerned that we are increasingly breaking down a metaphor, a 'virtual interface' without realizing what that abstraction buys us. At the moment, we have the concept of a hypothetical pointer and hypothetical keyboard, (with some abstract states, such as focus) that you can

Re: [whatwg] Speech input element

2010-05-19 Thread timeless
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:38 AM, David Singer sin...@apple.com wrote: I am a little concerned that we are increasingly breaking down a metaphor, a 'virtual interface' without realizing what that abstraction buys us. I'm more than a little concerned about this and hope that we tread much more

[whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread James Salsman
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Subject: [Wikitech-l] VP8 freed! To: Wikimedia developers, Wikimedia Commons Discussion List http://www.webmproject.org/ http://openvideoalliance.org/2010/05/google-frees-vp8-codec-for-html5-the-webm-project/?l=en

Re: [whatwg] Should scripts and plugins in contenteditable content be enabled or disabled?

2010-05-19 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: The webkit behavior of allowing all scripts makes the most sense to me. It should be possible to disable scripts, but that capability shouldn't be tied to editability. The clean solution for the CKEditor developer is to use a

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
James Salsman jsals...@talknicer.com schrieb am Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:38 -0700: Container will be .webm, a modified version of Matroshka. Audio is Ogg Vorbis. You mean Vorbis. /pedantic ;) -- Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net signature.asc Description:

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 00:34, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: James Salsman jsals...@talknicer.com schrieb am Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:38 -0700: Container will be .webm, a modified version of Matroshka. Audio is Ogg Vorbis. You mean Vorbis. /pedantic ;)

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:34, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: James Salsman jsals...@talknicer.com schrieb am Wed, 19 May 2010 14:58:38 -0700: Container will be .webm, a modified

Re: [whatwg] Should scripts and plugins in contenteditable content be enabled or disabled?

2010-05-19 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Ojan Vafai o...@chromium.org wrote: The webkit behavior of allowing all scripts makes the most sense to me. It should be possible to disable scripts, but that capability shouldn't be

Re: [whatwg] Should scripts and plugins in contenteditable content be enabled or disabled?

2010-05-19 Thread Collin Jackson
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: Virtually none of the JavaScript framebusting scripts used by web sites are effective. Yes. If anyone would like to see more evidence of this, here's a recent study of the Alexa Top 500 web sites. None of them were

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2010/5/20 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:34, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: James Salsman jsals...@talknicer.com schrieb am Wed, 19 May 2010

Re: [whatwg] forwarded: Google opens VP8 video codec

2010-05-19 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
2010/5/19 Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com 2010/5/20 Sir Gallantmon (ニール・ゴンパ) ngomp...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 00:34, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: James