Re: [whatwg] Why children of datalist elements are barred from constraint validation?

2011-08-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 15:20 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Looking

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 22:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: If it's ok if it's entirely ignored, then it's presentational, and not conveying any useful information. Presentational markup may convey useful information, for example that a quotation from printed matter contains an underlined

Re: [whatwg] PeerConnection, MediaStream, getUserMedia(), and other feedback

2011-08-02 Thread Per-Erik Brodin
On 2011-07-26 07:30, Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, Per-Erik Brodin wrote: Perhaps now that there is no longer any relation to tracks on the media elements we could also change Track to something else, maybe Component. I have had people complaining to me that Track is not really a

Re: [whatwg] Why children of datalist elements are barred from constraint validation?

2011-08-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 15:20 -0700, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Fri, Jul 29,

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread Dennis Joachimsthaler
Hello Anne, I took a look at the X-Frame-Options and it only disallows displaying in a frame, not forbidding only script access. Also this is another case of a HTTP header that would also find a good place in the HTML itself, like with the Content-Disposition attribute I suggested (and now got

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread Dennis Joachimsthaler
Am 02.08.2011, 12:38 Uhr, schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:33:18 +0200, Dennis Joachimsthaler den...@efjot.de wrote: I took a look at the X-Frame-Options and it only disallows displaying in a frame, not forbidding only script access. What kind of script

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread Dennis Joachimsthaler
Am 02.08.2011, 13:00 Uhr, schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:48:06 +0200, Dennis Joachimsthaler den...@efjot.de wrote: Say, there's a site which uses an autologin facility to automatically log their users in when the site is opened. Malicious guy #1 prepares a

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:05:07 +0200, Dennis Joachimsthaler den...@efjot.de wrote: It is not possible anyway? That kind of renders my worries baseless. Right. But this use case still holds: Userscripts and addons could still read out everything from the sites. It might be way too much a

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread Dennis Joachimsthaler
Am 02.08.2011, 13:12 Uhr, schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com If users cannot trust their userscripts and addons (provided they can do unsafe things) they have lost already. True. We do not make standards solely to protect inexperienced users. Thank you for your insight on this

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-02 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann þri 2.ágú 2011 09:04, skrifaði Henri Sivonen: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 22:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: Presentational markup may convey useful information, for example that a quotation from printed matter contains an underlined word. HTML is the wrong language for this kind of thing. I

Re: [whatwg] Prevent a document from being manipulated by a top document

2011-08-02 Thread John Tamplin
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Dennis Joachimsthaler den...@efjot.dewrote: Am 02.08.2011, 13:12 Uhr, schrieb Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com If users cannot trust their userscripts and addons (provided they can do unsafe things) they have lost already. True. We do not make standards

Re: [whatwg] Support for RDFa in HTML5

2011-08-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 13:55 +, aykut.sen...@bild.de wrote: I would like to know if these attributes will be part of HTML5 or is there another valid method to integrate RDFa into HTML5? Why do you need RDFa? -- Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi http://hsivonen.iki.fi/

Re: [whatwg] Support for RDFa in HTML5

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, aykut.sen...@bild.de wrote: according to the W3C Specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-in-html/ 1. the xmlns attribute has been replaced with the prefix attribute example: html prefix=rdfa: http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa#;http://www.w3.org/ns/rdfa#%22 2. the RDFa

Re: [whatwg] Fixing undo on the Web - UndoManager and Transaction

2011-08-02 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
This is a very nice proposal; thanks for working on this, Ryosuke! I have a number of questions and concerns on it, and I would appreciate if you can comment on these: 1. The definition of @undoscope seems to not address the question of whether the document element should be an Undo Scope or

Re: [whatwg] Fixing undo on the Web - UndoManager and Transaction

2011-08-02 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Ehsan Akhgari eh...@mozilla.com wrote: This is a very nice proposal; thanks for working on this, Ryosuke! I have a number of questions and concerns on it, and I would appreciate if you can comment on these: Nope! I just REALLY want to fix this. 1. The

Re: [whatwg] Fixing undo on the Web - UndoManager and Transaction

2011-08-02 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I think the manual transaction is what I'd want to make undo/redo in the edit menu work with jV [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/jv/]*. That's great to hear! I've spent so much time reconciling the way managed

Re: [whatwg] [editing] HTML Editing APIs specification ready for implementer feedback

2011-08-02 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone reviewing the spec should be advised that I put extensive rationale in HTML comments.  If you want to know why the spec says what it does, check the HTML source.  I plan to change this to use details or such

Re: [whatwg] Fixing undo on the Web - UndoManager and Transaction

2011-08-02 Thread Eric U
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I think the manual transaction is what I'd want to make undo/redo in the edit menu work with jV [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/jv/]*. That's

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On the subject of diagnostics for appcache: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Patrick Mueller wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 15:21, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Patrick Mueller wrote: I just tested Chrome beta this morning and saw nothing interesting in appcache error

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a web application descriptor

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Mike Hanson wrote: On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Simon Heckmann wrote: I have read a lot in the last month about the future of html and web applications and I am very impressed by the progress this makes. However, I have

Re: [whatwg] Small consistency issue with HTML5 nav element examples

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 4 May 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: On 5/4/11, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: IMO browsers should implement link. link should be implementable cross-browser in CSS. Unfortunately, what we want and what we get don't always match. :-) On a more serious note, implementing link

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-02 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: Şann şri  2.ágú 2011 09:04, skrifaği Henri Sivonen: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 22:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: Presentational markup may convey useful information, for example that a quotation from printed matter

Re: [whatwg] Browsers delay window.print() action until page load finishes

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 4 May 2011, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote: 04.05.2011, в 15:38, Ian Hickson написал(а): There seems to be no provision in the spec for a behavior Firefox and IE (and now WebKit-based browsers, too) have. If window.print() is called during page load, then its action is delayed until

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Nordman
A common request that maybe we can agree upon is the ability to list the manifests that are cached and to delete them via script. Something like... String[] window.applicationCache.getManifests(); // returns appcache manifest for the origin void

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Michael Nordman wrote: A common request that maybe we can agree upon is the ability to list the manifests that are cached and to delete them via script. Something like... String[] window.applicationCache.getManifests(); // returns appcache manifest for the origin

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Nordman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Michael Nordman wrote: A common request that maybe we can agree upon is the ability to list the manifests that are cached and to delete them via script. Something like... String[]

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Nordman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Michael Nordman wrote: A common request that maybe we can agree upon is the ability to list the manifests that are cached and to delete them via script. Something like... String[]

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Michael Nordman wrote: If you actively want to seek out old manifests, sure, but what's the use case for doing that? It would be like trying to actively evict things from HTTP caches. You should talk to some app developers. View source on angry birds for a use

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-08-02 Thread Michael Nordman
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Michael Nordman wrote: Let's say there's a page in the cache to be used as a fallback resource, refers to the manifest by relative url... html manifest='x' Depending on the url that invokes the fallback resource, 'x' will be resolved to different absolute

Re: [whatwg] [editing] HTML Editing APIs specification ready for implementer feedback

2011-08-02 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote: Feedback on sections 1 through 3: - WebKit treats any font-weight above or equal to 600 as bold because that's what user sees, and boldness is a binary concept in execCommand; Firefox 5 appears to do the same.