Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Sorry for the late reply. Getting to and from TPAC and TPAC itself is basically the reason. I hope you understand. On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:06:28 +0200, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: When you say No longer any attempts at integrating with F11 fullscreen, do you mean to rule

[whatwg] video and audio tags need to have volume attribute.

2011-11-14 Thread crocket
I know that it's possible to manipulate the volume attribute with javascript. Many internet forums allow HTML tags but prohibit javascripts, however. If I was able to set the initial volume with volume attribute of those tags, I would be able to set the volume without javascript.

[whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I have removed background:black as the way the rendering is defined at the moment is that it cannot be overridden unless !important is used. That's not ideal for backgrounds. Since no color was defined that did not help either. I added margin:0; box-sizing:border-box so the height/width

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: Having the rest of the page visible under the fullscreen element is not expected and I think we should default to avoiding it. background:black seemed like the right thing for video and a reasonable default for other

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: Sorry for the late reply. Getting to and from TPAC and TPAC itself is basically the reason. I hope you understand. Yeah no worries mate. About your nested-fullscreen proposal, I do not see how To fix the nested

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: Having the rest of the page visible under the fullscreen element is not expected and I think we should default to avoiding it.

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Jeremy Apthorp
One problem with the existing implementation in WebKit of fullscreen is that it is possible to focus with Tab elements that are not contained within the fullscreened element. This is a problem for assistive devices in particular. Perhaps we should specify that elements outside the fullscreened

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:25:38 +0100, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: I have removed background:black as the way the rendering is defined at the moment is that it cannot be overridden unless !important is

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/15/11 11:25 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: UA does not have an important level. In Gecko it actually does: it's a level that overrides the user important level. Such a level is sort of needed in some cases, no matter what you actually choose to call it. -Boris

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Apthorp jere...@chromium.orgwrote: One problem with the existing implementation in WebKit of fullscreen is that it is possible to focus with Tab elements that are not contained within the fullscreened element. This is a problem for assistive devices in

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Jeremy Apthorp
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Apthorp jere...@chromium.orgwrote: One problem with the existing implementation in WebKit of fullscreen is that it is possible to focus with Tab elements that are not

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: I think we should go the route that the dialog element did in Ted's change proposal and have a pseudo-element that gets created when an element is fullscreened. Simple and easy, and trivial for the author to

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should go the route that the dialog element did in Ted's change proposal and have a pseudo-element that gets created when an

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: Hm, why would it require stacking-level changes? One obvious way to get it to act correctly is to make it wrap around the element, like the old ::outside pseudo-element proposal. Then it's trivial. The CP says The

[whatwg] HTML5 video seeking

2011-11-14 Thread Aaron Colwell
Hi, I was looking at the seeking algorithmhttp://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#seeking and had a question about step 10. 10. Wait until the user agent has established whether or not the media data for the new playback position is available, and, if

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video seeking

2011-11-14 Thread Ralph Giles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/11/11 03:49 PM, Aaron Colwell wrote: Does this mean the user agent must resume playback at the exact location specified? Maybe you can muck with the 'media.seekable' TimeRanges object to only show keyframes? Otherwise, it kind of sounds

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video seeking

2011-11-14 Thread Simon Pieters
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:49:32 +0100, Aaron Colwell acolw...@chromium.org wrote: Hi, I was looking at the seeking algorithmhttp://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#seeking and had a question about step 10. 10. Wait until the user agent has established

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen CSS

2011-11-14 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, why would it require stacking-level changes?  One obvious way to get it to act correctly is to make it wrap around the element, like

Re: [whatwg] Fullscreen revision I

2011-11-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jeremy Apthorp jere...@chromium.orgwrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Apthorp jere...@chromium.orgwrote: One problem with the existing implementation in WebKit of