Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: You can even use getCueAsHTML() to simply hand the SVG to HTML for rendering. FWIW, that is not going to work. You need to parse the SVG using innerHTML or some such. getCueAsHTML() only gives a representation of

Re: [whatwg] canvas hitregion() clarification sought

2012-07-25 Thread Steve Faulkner
resending as plain text as the first time the links made it indecipherable, On 25 July 2012 01:13, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Upon reading the hit region section [1] of the spec again I noticed this: If any of the following conditions are met, throw a NotSupportedError

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 July 2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The claim that HTML the living standard is

[whatwg] Table fixed header

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Hello, I've been looking for some standard approach to fixed header (no weird positioning, wrappers divs, JS woodoo, etc. - I've written those and there are couple hundreds more on the web) and I found this bug in webkit https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3239 discussing, whether

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical

Re: [whatwg] alt= and the meta name=generator exception

2012-07-25 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: This is an improvement, but I think Edward O'Connor's points still apply. Indeed. The spec edit is a rather disappointing response. I think it would be better to keep the alt attribute always required but recommend

Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Cyril Concolato
Le 7/24/2012 5:04 PM, Ian Hickson a écrit : [only replied on the whatwg list; please if possible avoid cross-posting as it tends to fracture threads when people only on one list and not the other reply] [I'll forward the mails to the SVG mailing list separately to make sure people not

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 13:45, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Canonical means neither correct nor accurate, those words have no meaning in this case, you cannot apply them on set of rules (you first have to have set of rules, to claim, whether something is accurate or correct within the boundaries of those rules), canonical means, that those set of

Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Cyril Concolato
Hi Silvia, Le 7/25/2012 4:24 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit : Expanding a bit on what Anne said... On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@telecom-paristech.fr wrote: Dear WhatWG, During the ongoing SVG F2F meeting, the SVG WG discussed the use case of displaying SVG

Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Cyril Concolato
Hi Silvia, Le 7/25/2012 3:42 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit : On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: But you can use cue.text and parse it as a SVG fragment. That would be RSS all

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG

Re: [whatwg] Table fixed header

2012-07-25 Thread Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo
This Mozilla bug has more info: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674214 2012/7/25 Bronislav Klučka bronislav.klu...@bauglir.com Hello, I've been looking for some standard approach to fixed header (no weird positioning, wrappers divs, JS woodoo, etc. - I've written those and there

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Steve Faulkner
hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C group doesn't demonstrate any serious lapses

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:52, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of

Re: [whatwg] Table fixed header

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
So the answer is it probably should apply, because of CSS3, but since noone is implementing it it should not apply because it will be removed? Is there anyone, who can make the judgement call? B. On 25.7.2012 16:34, Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo wrote: This Mozilla bug has more info:

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:55, Steve Faulkner wrote: hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 25 juil. 2012 à 10:04, David Bruant a écrit : W3C forgot that. Who did? I mean, the actual people. Nobody forgot. The discussions are not about WHATWG vs W3C. This is nonsense. There W3C is not a monolithic bloc either. Most of the browser engineers working on whatwg lists, IRC channels,

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is discouraged on this mailing list so that we can maintain a high technical

Re: [whatwg] alt= and the meta name=generator exception

2012-07-25 Thread Leif Halvard Silli
Edward O'Connor on Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:37:20 -0700 We could address this problem by making changes along these lines: 1. Drop the meta name=generator alt= exception. 2. Mint a global boolean attribute that, when present, indicates that the element and its descendants are outside of the

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 25 July 2012 18:12, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is discouraged on this

Re: [whatwg] alt= and the meta name=generator exception

2012-07-25 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-25 15:05, Henri Sivonen wrote: I think it would be better to keep the alt attribute always required but recommend that conformance checkers have an option of switching off errors related to this The big question is whether that would be enough to solve the problem of generators

Re: [whatwg] Table fixed header

2012-07-25 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/25/12 7:14 AM, Bronislav Klučka wrote: Should simple tbody {height: 200px; overflow: scroll; } work, and this feature is missing in browsers implementations? Per CSS2.1 it should not work. There's an out-of-date (older than CSS2.1) draft of CSS3 that says it should, but doesn't actually

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called HTML5 and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. Is this the long term project name, or just a

Re: [whatwg] A mechanism to improve form autofill

2012-07-25 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Kornel LesiÅ~Dski wrote: But even if single-mixed-login-field autocomplete was desired, then perhaps a mixed type would work too: input type=username email How about merging autocompletetype with

Re: [whatwg] A mechanism to improve form autofill

2012-07-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: For some of these fields, autocomplete= as a hint to autocompletion seems sufficient. However, I think some may logically be a distinct input type as well. This is also true for the inputmode attribute. In particular its

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-25 20:40, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called HTML5 and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. Is this the long

Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@telecom-paristech.fr wrote: Right now it is fully defined how data in a TextTrack (of the defined kinds) is displayed on top of the video. As this is as yet unclear for SVG resources, I wouldn't say it's unclear, I'd say it

Re: [whatwg] Comments about the track element

2012-07-25 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Cyril Concolato cyril.concol...@telecom-paristech.fr wrote: Hi Silvia, Le 7/25/2012 3:42 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer a écrit : On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Henri Sivonenhsivo...@iki.fi wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer

Re: [whatwg] register*Handler and Web Intents

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
Having carefully studied the Mozilla Web Activities proposal, the Web Intents draft, the register*Handler APIs, and to a lesser extent the dispatch mechanisms in existing operating systems (desktop and mobile) and the piles of advocacy on teh subject on the Web, I've tried to come up with a

Re: [whatwg] Why does CanvasRenderingContext2D.drawImage not draw a video's poster?

2012-07-25 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Jul 21, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not opposed to the idea, but I'm failing to see the benefit. The advantage clearly is that if you have a canvas that is copying data out of the video, it includes the poster without having to write custom

Re: [whatwg] A mechanism to improve form autofill

2012-07-25 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: For some of these fields, autocomplete= as a hint to autocompletion seems sufficient. However, I think some may logically be a distinct input type

Re: [whatwg] CSS Filter Effects for Canvas 2D Context

2012-07-25 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Rik Cabanier caban...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it would be great to have filter effects in Canvas. It should be fairly efficient if you have a GPU backend since the effects can all be done with shaders so it should take up too much memory. This workflow

Re: [whatwg] CSS Filter Effects for Canvas 2D Context

2012-07-25 Thread Rik Cabanier
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Rik Cabanier caban...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it would be great to have filter effects in Canvas. It should be fairly efficient if you have a GPU backend since the effects can