Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 2:32 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 11/29/12 2:07 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: I imagine this ties in, too, to the issues with sniffing CSS files that has been raised elsewhere: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560388 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562377

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 11/29/12 2:07 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: So perhaps a more useful question would be what to do in situations like that—should mimesniff treat application/octet-stream as a type supported by the browser for the

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 2:53 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: At one point it says, The MIME type application/octet-stream with no parameters is never a type that the user agent knows it cannot render. User agents must treat that type as equivalent to the lack of any explicit Content-Type metadata when it is

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Add window.getLastError (or modify invocation arguments of window.onerror)

2012-11-29 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:35:21 +0100, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Having the exception object, if any, in the onerror callback, seems reasonable, and would indeed limit how many more arguments we may have to add over the years. It seems that providing it as an argument would be better than

Re: [whatwg] proposal for a location.domain property

2012-11-29 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I don't think location.domain would be the same as location.tld, to the extent I understand the intent of them. For the URL http://www.apple.com/;, apple.com would be the domain, and com would be the TLD. Yes, but for

[whatwg] Notifications API: minor change

2012-11-29 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Hi, Per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2012OctDec/0116.html I removed the string coercion done in the Notifications API. It is now up to the UI layer how to deal with lone surrogates, similar to how that is handled elsewhere in the platform.

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:02 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 11/29/12 2:53 AM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: At one point it says, The MIME type application/octet-stream with no parameters is never a type that the user agent knows it cannot render. User agents must treat that type as

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 12:45 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: The apparent contradiction occurs when, e.g., an Opus file is tagged as application/octet-stream. If I understand correctly, a UA would return when canPlayType() is called against such a file canPlayType is not called against a file. It's

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: canPlayType is not called against a file. It's called with a single argument which is a string MIME type. If you pass application/octet-stream, it will return . Its behavior does not depend on any state of the element

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 1:11 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: So... are there any additional places where application/octet-stream should be treated as if the media type was undefined? Or is this conversation moot now? To my knowledge, the only places in the web platform that special-case

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Sniffing archives

2012-11-29 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
To be clear, I'm asking this because I would like to remove the sniffing of archive types from the mimesniff spec if there aren't any valid usecases. On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley gphems...@gmail.com wrote: The mimesniff spec currently includes signatures for ZIP, gzip, and

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Gordon P. Hemsley wrote: The apparent contradiction occurs when, e.g., an Opus file is tagged as application/octet-stream. If I understand correctly, a UA would return when canPlayType() is called against such a file—but then the file would actually play because

Re: [whatwg] proposal for a location.domain property

2012-11-29 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: I don't think location.domain would be the same as location.tld, to the extent I understand the intent of them. For the URL http://www.apple.com/;,

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Barth
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley gphems...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my reading of the source code, it seems that Gecko treats a resource served as 'application/octet-stream' as an unknown type which is sniffed as if no Content-Type was specified. Are there security

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Treating application/octet-stream as unknown for sniffing

2012-11-29 Thread Gordon P. Hemsley
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Gordon P. Hemsley gphems...@gmail.com wrote: Based on my reading of the source code, it seems that Gecko treats a resource served as 'application/octet-stream' as an unknown type which is

Re: [whatwg] [mimesniff] Sniffing archives

2012-11-29 Thread Adam Barth
These are supported in Chrome. That's what causes the download. From your comment, it's not clear to me if you are correctly reverse engineering existing user agents. The techniques we used to create this list originally are quite sophisticated and involved a massive amount of data [1]. It

Re: [whatwg] AppCache Error events

2012-11-29 Thread David Barrett-Kahn
So are there no objections to this, should I draft a change to the spec? -Dave On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Barrett-Kahn d...@google.com wrote: Right now this event contains no structured information, just an error message. It'd be helpful to us to know more about what failed, so

Re: [whatwg] AppCache Error events

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, David Barrett-Kahn wrote: So are there no objections to this, should I draft a change to the spec? The process, insofar as we have one, is what is described here: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_a_process_for_adding_new_features_to_a_specification.3F At some

Re: [whatwg] AppCache Error events

2012-11-29 Thread Michael Nordman
Sounds reasonable to me. Webkit and chromium expose information like this via the inspector console so users/developers at that can better diagnose problems locally. Makes sense to also expose that info to app logic so developers could diagnose from afar. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:40 AM, David

Re: [whatwg] Adding crossorigin= to more elements

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 11/28/12 7:42 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Done, at least on the HTML side. For now it just makes .sheet return null for cross-origin resources. Pretty sure that's not web-compatible... Yeah, I don't expect it is. This stuff is going to change as

Re: [whatwg] A link rel=stylesheet scoped usecase

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu wrote: (12/06/08 7:28), Ian Hickson wrote: It still seems like a bit of an edge case, so I think it's ok for us to continue to rely on @import for this for now. But we should keep an eye out for how often people use this technique; if it is indeed

Re: [whatwg] Exposing framerate / statistics of video playback and related feedback

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 1 May 2012, Charles Pritchard wrote: The list looked at having a (canvas) ctx.stream = mediaElement; option to better copy frames from a media stream into Canvas. I don't think that the assignment operator will work, but it does seem like we could optimize our drawImage calls to

Re: [whatwg] Adding crossorigin= to more elements

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 5:09 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Well, yeah, but the sheet knows which mode it's in, so I don't think that part of it is a big deal. Maybe. Problems can arise with a sheet that itself sends CORS headers but links to sheets that don't and that's tested in a UA that doesn't do link

Re: [whatwg] Adding crossorigin= to more elements

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Anyway, this is somewhat moot to me because it'll all have to be defined by whatever spec it is that currently says that a CSS sheet on http: can't import an image on file:, etc. Heh. Does it affect things like CSP in any way? No idea.

Re: [whatwg] Adding crossorigin= to more elements

2012-11-29 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 11/29/12 9:44 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: The behaviour called tainting in this context in the spec just means treat as a cross-origin resource Right. My point was that cross-origin for the case of stylesheet at least in Gecko depends on the origin of the script that tries to modify them, not

Re: [whatwg] Load events fired during onload handlers

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, James Graham wrote: There seems to be general agreement (amongst browsers, not yet the spec) that if a document does something that causes a new load event from within an onload handler (document.open/document.close) the second load event is not dispatched. This also