Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Stan
- Original Message - From: Karl Dubost ka...@opera.com it doesn't mean they are unhappy about it. Or more exactly that a fraction of them can even look for such a feature. In most cases ordinary users (not geeks) can not think of a feature, before software developers provide it

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Stan stas...@orc.ru schrieb am Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:51:57 +0300: […] The main point, if device ID could be available it would provide more great possibilities for users and web-services. From the top of my head, I can imagine the following possibilities: - persistant device tracking -

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Stan
Last thing to remember: the device ID is not something secret and forbidden for native applications. For example, Android provides Android ID and iOS ASIdentifierManager, which can be read by any installed application. Taking into consideration that many web-services do provide native clients,

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Fred Andrews
Hi Stan, From: stas...@orc.ru ... Subject: Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc) ... First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now, it

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Stan stas...@orc.ru schrieb am Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:51:57 +0300: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, this is bacause there is no

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Lee Kowalkowski
On 13 December 2012 20:20, Stan stas...@orc.ru wrote: Hi, I'd like to proprose an API to get a unique device's ID in HTML5. What is a unique device ID? Do all devices have a unique ID? Which bit of hardware is responsible for storing such a thing? Who guarantees it's uniqueness, and how?

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Lee Kowalkowski
On 14 December 2012 08:51, Stan stas...@orc.ru wrote: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. A device ID won't register a user. Where will the profile information come from? If it comes from a web-based service

Re: [whatwg] A plea to Hixie to adopt main

2012-12-14 Thread Cory Sand
I don't know if this is relevant at all, but according to the spec (section 4.4.1), The body element represents the main content of the document. What would you say is the relation between this use of the term main and your use of the term here? Might it perhaps be more accurate to state, The body

Re: [whatwg] A plea to Hixie to adopt main

2012-12-14 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Cory, I don't know if this is relevant at all, but according to the spec (section 4.4.1), The body element represents the main content of the document. What would you say is the relation between this use of the term main and your use of the term here? Might it perhaps be more accurate

Re: [whatwg] A plea to Hixie to adopt main

2012-12-14 Thread Stewart Brodie
Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cory, I don't know if this is relevant at all, but according to the spec (section 4.4.1), The body element represents the main content of the document. What would you say is the relation between this use of the term main and your

Re: [whatwg] A plea to Hixie to adopt main

2012-12-14 Thread Stewart Brodie
Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Stewart wrote: It doesn't necessarily. I've come across pages that expect the head to be displayed too. e.g. tests at http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/css3/like http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/tests/css3/show.php?p=caption-side Is this a

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Mike Wilson wrote: What events are supposed to be fired when the browsing context gets navigated away before the current page has finished loading, ie before the load event has been fired? It's pretty complicated, but the short answer is beforeunload and unload.

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, this is bacause there is no other, more simple way (as

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: Last thing to remember: the device ID is not something secret and forbidden for native applications. For example, Android provides Android ID and iOS ASIdentifierManager, which can be read by any installed application. Taking into consideration that many

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Mike Wilson
Thanks Ian, Ian Hickson wrote on 14 december 2012 19:22: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Mike Wilson wrote: What events are supposed to be fired when the browsing context gets navigated away before the current page has finished loading, ie before the load event has been fired? It's pretty

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Mike Wilson wrote: Anyway, the finding that originally got me started on looking at this was that I received an unload event without a preceeding load event. Naively this seems logically wrong, but I appreciate these are complicated matters so I'm content with the

Re: [whatwg] seamless iframes and event propagation

2012-12-14 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Dimitri Glazkov dglaz...@chromium.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: Well, eventually we might want to merge the whole DOM part of Shadow DOM and DOM I think, but for now my proposition was that dispatch

[whatwg] Feedback on a variety of elements

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012, Pierre Dubois wrote: I developed a javascript table parser based on my research. The parser is able to understand complex relationship in a data table. The relationship association is based on the current algorithm and take in consideration how the header cell (th) is

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Mike Wilson
Ian Hickson wrote on 14 december 2012 21:11: As a general rule, the intent of the spec is that you get a load when all your scripts (and other resources) have loaded, and you get an unload when the page is going away. Thus if the page goes away before the page has finished loading, you

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Olli Pettay
There are also pageshow and pagehide events, although the spec for them seems to be wrong. They are fired always, not only when dealing with session history. -Olli On 12/14/2012 08:51 PM, Mike Wilson wrote: Thanks Ian, Ian Hickson wrote on 14 december 2012 19:22: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Mike

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012, Olli Pettay wrote: There are also pageshow and pagehide events, although the spec for them seems to be wrong. They are fired always, not only when dealing with session history. Do you have a test case that shows when they are fired in a way that doesn't match the spec?

Re: [whatwg] Why do HTML*Collection's nameItem need to return 5 different objects?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012, Simon Pieters wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 22:47:07 +0200, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1736 Webkit returns undefined, whereas IE, Gecko, and Opera all return an HTMLCollection. (IE returns an

Re: [whatwg] events when navigating away before page load?

2012-12-14 Thread Olli Pettay
On 12/15/2012 01:52 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2012, Olli Pettay wrote: There are also pageshow and pagehide events, although the spec for them seems to be wrong. They are fired always, not only when dealing with session history. Do you have a test case that shows when they are