Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-01-15 11:57, Steve Faulkner wrote: Can anyone point me to or provide use cases for untitled article and section elements? The example that first comes into my mind is a discussion forum where contributions (which would appear to match the article idea) can be posted, and are usually

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Yang
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fiwrote: 2013-01-15 11:57, Steve Faulkner wrote: Can anyone point me to or provide use cases for untitled article and section elements? The example that first comes into my mind is a discussion forum where contributions

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:57:45 -, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone point me to or provide use cases for untitled article and section elements? those in which the heading is to be injected via script -- Bruce Lawson Open standards evangelist Developer Relations

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-01-15 14:15, Ian Yang wrote: The one came into my mind is blog comments, which are often coded using untitled articles. But personally I think that is wrong because every sectioning element should have a heading. Using headings is generally a very good authoring principle, but there

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Yang
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fiwrote: 2013-01-15 14:15, Ian Yang wrote: The one came into my mind is blog comments, which are often coded using untitled articles. But personally I think that is wrong because every sectioning element should have a

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:59:01 -, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: bruce wrote: Can anyone point me to or provide use cases for untitled article and section elements? those in which the heading is to be injected via script Ok so in a a rendered page or outline? I

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Steve Faulkner
bruce wrote: I don't understand the question sorry this example: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/article.html results in this outline: what is the use of the untitle articles? Example of article use from HTML 5.1 spec Bacon on a crowbar Untitled ARTICLE

Re: [whatwg] AllowSeamless feedback

2013-01-15 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 15.01.2013 01:36 schrieb Nasko Oskov: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Nasko Oskov na...@chromium.org wrote: Based on the existing security concerns listed in the proposal and the fact that it might prevent a

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:44:44 -, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: what is the use of the untitled articles? or of the 133 untitled articles on http://html5doctor.com/designing-a-blog-with-html5/ what is the use case for using article in this case over the use of other

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Steve Faulkner
thanks, makes more sense (i think) On 15 January 2013 14:08, Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:44:44 -, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: what is the use of the untitled articles? or of the 133 untitled articles on

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-01-15 15:44, Steve Faulkner wrote: this example: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/377471/article.html results in this outline: what is the use of the untitle articles? Example of article use from HTML 5.1 spec Bacon on a crowbar Untitled ARTICLE

[whatwg] Browser support or polyfill for latest Canvas spec additions?

2013-01-15 Thread David Geary
AFAICT, no browsers have yet implemented the modifications to the Canvas spec from March of 2012. Can anyone confirm if that's the case? Any insights into why browser vendors are so slow to catch up to the spec? Also, does anyone know of a capable polyfill that provides those features? I would

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Mathias, Comments on blog posts, or forum posts. how is it useful? what does the use of article provide in this case over other markup? why not section or list? who are the consumers of the semantics? regards SteveF On 15 January 2013 14:44, Mathias Bynens math...@qiwi.be wrote: On 15

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Cory Sand
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com wrote: . On my own blog, which also uses article for comments, I'm considering changing it from article comment by Fred on 12 Dec at 4.52 divcomment text/div /article into article h3Fred said on 12 Dec at 4.52/h3

Re: [whatwg] Browser support or polyfill for latest Canvas spec additions?

2013-01-15 Thread Juriy Zaytsev
AFAIK, only dashed lines in WebKit at the moment — http://kangax.github.com/jstests/canvas-v5/ More things coming soon, such as Path — https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97333 Not sure about shims. I implemented some of the features (paths, ellipses, dashed lines) in Fabric.js

Re: [whatwg] use cases for untitled article and section elements

2013-01-15 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:08:33 -, Cory Sand yrocs...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, can I ask the purpose of the div in marking up the comment text? Is it just for styling/positioning? yes. -- Bruce Lawson Open standards evangelist Developer Relations Team Opera http://dev.opera.com

Re: [whatwg] Browser support or polyfill for latest Canvas spec additions?

2013-01-15 Thread Richard
Hi, AFAIK, only dashed lines in WebKit at the moment — http://kangax.github.com/jstests/canvas-v5/ If you're interested in dotted/dashed lines I wrote an article about them here: http://www.rgraph.net/blog/2013/january/html5-canvas-dashed-lines.html -- Richard

[whatwg] Hit region + fillRule concerns

2013-01-15 Thread Simon Sarris
I replied to Rik Cabanier over on the W3 mailing list and figured I should post here as well since nobody seems to look at the W3 Canvas list. For the record I'm referring to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2013JanMar/0001.html - The current *fillRule *rules

Re: [whatwg] Forms-related feedback

2013-01-15 Thread TAMURA, Kent
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, TAMURA, Kent wrote: So, I think it's impossible for us to build reasonable UI for type=datetime. It should be removed from the specification. In the simplest case, the UI for type=datetime doesn't

Re: [whatwg] Forms-related feedback

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013, TAMURA, Kent wrote: * If the type=datetime UI asks a UTC datetime, type=datetime-local is enough and type=datetime is unnecessary. Yes, asking for a UTC datetime would be horrible UI. * If the type=datetime UI asks a datetime and a timezone offset value, many users

Re: [whatwg] Forms-related feedback

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013, TAMURA, Kent wrote: The key difference is that Google Calendar converts the time to UTC on the backend. That's not the same as type=datetime-local with an optional timezone selector. In fact it's the precise key difference between datetime-local and datetime.

Re: [whatwg] Forms-related feedback

2013-01-15 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2013-01-16 4:20, Ian Hickson wrote: * If the type=datetime UI asks a local datetime, UA needs to convert local datetime to UTC datetime, of course. However, it's very hard to implement. ** The UI needs extra work for edge cases of daylight saving time - standard time switching. ** A