Re: [whatwg] Proposal for Links to Unrelated Browsing Contexts

2012-06-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 07:32:34PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: Please don't encourage yet more sites to open new tabs when I didn't ask for it. It's merely a new browsing context IIUC, not necessarily a new window (frame, tab, tile or whatever it's called this year). Someone that understands

Re: [whatwg] register*Handler and Web Intents

2012-06-03 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Windows Explorer (the file manager) does for example offer users to edit images upon right-click. I worry that if URI scheme handlers need not only take care of fetching but also of presentation

Re: [whatwg] picture / img srcset not needed

2012-05-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 07:46:54AM +0200, Anselm Hannemann Web Development wrote: The good thing on the picture element is that we have the possibility to serve other image-crops and with that the meaning could change so we could update the alt-attribute in the tag for every source-element.

Re: [whatwg] Implementation complexity with elements vs an attribute (responsive images)

2012-05-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/13/12, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote: I think layout (media queries) and optimisation cases are orthogonal and it would be a mistake to do both with the same mechanism. My knee-jerk reaction to the above thought is that layout should be done using CSS and any optimizations left

Re: [whatwg] Implementation complexity with elements vs an attribute (responsive images)

2012-05-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/13/12, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote: By resolution I mean pixel density (regular vs Retina display), so this doesn't affect layout. Ah, I must have misunderstood you. I can imagine layout complexity being tied to bandwidth (an image-rich design vs minimalistic text-only

Re: [whatwg] Search-suggestions without scripting

2012-05-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/5/12, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Note that even in this space, though, it's not the end of the story. For example, Chrome does more than just list the search autocomplete results; it also loads the first suggestion in the background, and mixes in results from local history search,

Re: [whatwg] Prerendering and APIs

2012-03-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:35:14 -, Gavin Peters (蓋文彼德斯) gav...@chromium.org wrote: We're having great luck in Chrome with link rel=prerender href=foo. If Does link rel=next href=doc2 not trigger this feature?

Re: [whatwg] Specify href target with HTTP headers

2012-03-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:59:50 -, Christian Schmidt whatwg@chsc.dk wrote: Bjartur Thorlacius skrev 2012-03-09 10:43: I argue that putting user interface hints into a file transfer protocol does cause problems Would it be better if the Window-Target was somehow specified in the head

Re: [whatwg] Specify href target with HTTP headers

2012-03-09 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 3/8/12, Christian Schmidt whatwg@chsc.dk wrote: AFAIK no modern browser implements Window-Target, so I don't think the we need to reuse the old header name. Expanding Content-Disposition is also an option, e.g. Content-Disposition: inline; target=_blank. Unfortunately we cannot use

Re: [whatwg] Specify href target with HTTP headers

2012-03-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:19:17 -, Christian Schmidt whatwg@chsc.dk wrote: I suggest that a server can specify a link target in an HTTP header, e.g. Window-Target: _blank. The page would be equivalent to specifying the same value in the form or a tag leading to the page. It should

Re: [whatwg] a download feedback

2012-03-03 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann lau 3.mar 2012 21:30, skrifaði Glenn Maynard: Another use case: fixing Google's search results. They're currently annoyingly broken: [snip] Yes, Google is broken. But no, Save As is not the only thing that it breaks. In special, a

Re: [whatwg] including output in form submissions

2012-02-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Michael Gratton wrote: But in general, I recommend against this. Anything that can be computed should be computed on the server to obtain the canonical value, otherwise you open yourself up to attackers sending you inconsistent data. While for applications

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Deprecate registerProtocolHandler/registerContentHandler via Web Intents

2012-02-21 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mið 15.feb 2012 23:39, skrifaði James Hawkins: * If |scheme| is specified, |action| *should* (must?) be ignored. Why would you forbid distinguishing between actions on URIs? Postal and retrieval of mail, for example, are quite distinct actions. As are modification and retrieval of

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Deprecate registerProtocolHandler/registerContentHandler via Web Intents

2012-02-21 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann þri 21.feb 2012 18:44, skrifaði James Hawkins: I'm not sure if the proposal was explicit enough, but for the RPH-esque functionality in Web Intents, we activate WI in the same circumstances RPH is activated, which is when links are activated in a page. Can you elucidate how the scenarios

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: Deprecate registerProtocolHandler/registerContentHandler via Web Intents

2012-02-21 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann þri 21.feb 2012 19:41, skrifaði James Hawkins: Is this use case not fully handled by the UA specifying the appropriate action when building the intent, e.g., the user right-clicks on an image in a page and the UA constructs context menu items for edit/share/etc. action? Not if the image is

Re: [whatwg] Caching of identical files from different URLs using checksums

2012-02-18 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann lau 18.feb 2012 13:45, skrifaði Sven Neuhaus: The relevant section from RFC 3986 reads: The fragment identifier component of a URI allows indirect identification of a secondary resource by reference to a primary resource and additional identifying information. The identified

Re: [whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 2/13/12, Gray Zhang otakus...@gmail.com wrote: We would like to present an authoring difficulty with regard to showing images on the Web with limited bandwidth, when deferring loading of certain or all images are preferable. We have some vague ideas about what browser/markup solutions

Re: [whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:00:52 -, Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu kennyl...@csail.mit.edu wrote: Could you elaborate a little more on this? What is a metered connection? Not all network links are equally expensive. I have to pay for tens of gigabytes I send or receive over submarine or mobile wireless

Re: [whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:17:28 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: This is a difficult optimization to make. You can only do it for images that have a height and width specified in the markup, and worse yet it leads to pretty bad flicker as the user scrolls (because network

Re: [whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:59:09 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Well, UAs would fetch the images to be displayed first first, and then prefetch images until they have more than a screenful of undisplayed content loaded. What does screenful of undisplayed content mean for some

Re: [whatwg] Deferring image load

2012-02-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:12:09 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On the contrary, if you've laid out two screenfuls you can guess that anything after that will not be in the aforeoutlaid* screenfuls. I wasn't talking about guessing at visibility. I was talking stuff like this:

Re: [whatwg] add html-attribute for responsive images

2012-02-09 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:16:36 -, Anselm Hannemann - Novolo Designagentur ans...@novolo.de wrote: Okay, I talked with some disabled web developers and Accessibility experts today and talked about the proposal of markup in alt-text. This seems not to be a good idea as screenreader would read

Re: [whatwg] add html-attribute for responsive images

2012-02-08 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
If using a single object element for embedding in general would be too hard on implementations (although the markup cleanliness is tempting), can we not (re)use video for both animated and still 2D images?

Re: [whatwg] add html-attribute for responsive images

2012-02-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 2/7/12, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: The main problem I see with that is that the object tag doesn't have the same accessibility attributes, so you'd effectively lock out a lot of people using browsers that don't understand the context of the tag in this case. I think

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:44:30 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Yes, indeed. Supports touch input on multiple spots at once vs supports only a mouse seems like a much more important distinction than the nominal CSS pixel size of the screen I think CSS media queries could be

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:58:00 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Again, it's not constant in the terms that the page sees, which are CSS pixels, not device pixels. We're discussing HTTP here, so the content might just as well be raster bitmaps. Multiple and variable screen

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:49:35 -, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote: We need the server to know about the device. We need headers. We need renderings tailored to our devices. Device tailoring is best done by someone with access to the device in question. Judging how rendering is

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:59:14 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: That really depends on what the application is doing. Depending on input capabilities, you may want to have multiple pages instead of a single page for some sort of configuration setup, for example. Whether to use

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:49:43 -, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: that need not even have anything to do with HTTP. You can fetch half the monolithic form and fetch the rest when the user has filled in most of [the] former half. Not without script. Or (fragment) Accept-Ranges (so a

Re: [whatwg] add html-attribute for responsive images

2012-02-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:23:37 -, Mathew Marquis m...@matmarquis.com wrote: I recently published a sum-up of our thinking at A List Apart ( http://www.alistapart.com/articles/responsive-images-how-they-almost-worked-and-what-we-need/ )—in short, using the video markup pattern as the

Re: [whatwg] RWD Heaven: if browsers reported device capabilities in a request header

2012-02-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Feel free to propose e.g. Accept-Media to httpbis[1]. Bandwidth negotiation would be most useful. Do make note of the dynamic nature of many viewports* and the fact that user agents may wish to render resources to multiple medias. The latter is rare enough to tolerate an extra roundtrip.

Re: [whatwg] Why won't you let us make our own HTML5 browsers?

2012-02-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:00:04 -, Brett Zamir bret...@yahoo.com wrote: It would let anyone with web skills to have full creative control over the browser UI which they can in turn easily share with others regardless of the host browser those people are using, and without the hassle of

Re: [whatwg] Requests for new elements for comments

2012-01-27 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:43:07 -, Matthew Wilcox elven...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously this is not right - perhaps I'm not understanding your use case? Why would you want to specify an author as an attribute on the element? Not necessarily as an attribute, I would prefer an element.

Re: [whatwg] Requests for new elements for comments

2012-01-26 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:26:31 -, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Actually, they are remarkably similar. I think it's anachronistic to consider that the utterances of the site owner are in some way distinct from the utterances of the site readers. While I do agree with you (for a change),

Re: [whatwg] Requests for new elements for comments

2012-01-26 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
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Re: [whatwg] [html5] r6630 - [giow] (0) Define navigating to video and audio resources Fixing http://www.w3.o [...]

2011-10-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 17:37:22 -, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Simon Pieters wrote: video and audio should have controls= and autoplay= The spec allows browsers to do that (in fact it explicitly calls out autoplay=), but do we really want to require one or the

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r6630 - [giow] (0) Define navigating to video and audio resources Fixing http://www.w3.o [...]

2011-10-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 17:56:23 -, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: The context here is how browsers display videos when you just navigate to a video file directly. Much as with navigating to images, where the spec says to use img but doesn't require or disallow extra features, such as the zoom

Re: [whatwg] Making selectionDirection platform-independent

2011-09-26 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 16:14:39 -, Philip Rogers p...@google.com wrote: It looks like editors using a textarea (such as codemirror) are currently working around this by not drawing a cursor when there is a selection. In ignorance of the specificatory problem you describe, this seems sane

Re: [whatwg] The placeholder attribute

2011-09-23 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Should @placeholder be renamed @eg, and used exclusively for example input? On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: The semantics of the placeholder and title attributes of inputs overlap slightly; the placeholder attribute may contain a hint to aid

[whatwg] The placeholder attribute

2011-09-22 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
The semantics of the placeholder and title attributes of inputs overlap slightly; the placeholder attribute may contain a hint to aid the user, while title is to contain other advisory text. I can think of two valid uses of placeholder: example value, and the text click here to type or

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for improved handling of '#' inside of data URIs

2011-09-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann sun 11.sep 2011 18:44, skrifaði Michael A. Puls II: I don't think and are in the list of safe URI characters. All URI-based functions seem to percent-encode them too. Keeping them encoded is definitely good for data URIs in text/plain documents so the don't interfere with the and that

Re: [whatwg] comment element

2011-09-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fös 9.sep 2011 19:27, skrifaði Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Bjartur Thorlaciussvartma...@gmail.com wrote: Why usea when you have onclick and a settable document.location? :) I think there are sound reasons to provide user agent conformance requirements for

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for improved handling of '#' inside of data URIs

2011-09-10 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann lau 10.sep 2011 21:15, skrifaði Daniel Holbert: * Opera is interesting -- it can exhibit either the Firefox or WebKit behaviors in tests A/B/C, depending on whether the data URI as an embedded element (via iframe/img) or view it directly. When you view it as an embedded element (in my

Re: [whatwg] [editing] New conformance tests

2011-09-09 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mið 7.sep 2011 20:44, skrifaði Aryeh Gregor: I've had some type of tests around for a while now, but they weren't suitable for implementers. I've now recoded and reformatted them so that they output a table of results using James Graham's testharness.js. The link is here, but WARNING: it

Re: [whatwg] comment element

2011-09-08 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
A far greater problem is the lack of standardization of a protocol for comment submittal. If the IETF were to standardize such a protocol, would it not make more sense to distribute comments via the same channel? That seems like a cleaner long-term solution than changing every stream format out

Re: [whatwg] add html-attribute for responsive images

2011-08-31 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Bottom (top?) line: User agents should negotiate an appropriate message-body size using HTTP. Sending an accept-size (or some such) could solve both the problem of high resolution photography and lengthy documents. The amount of split articles (Click here to go to the next page / page 4) and

Re: [whatwg] [editing] Additional miscellaneous commands

2011-08-23 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 22.ágú 2011 21:57, skrifaði Ehsan Akhgari: On 11-08-18 6:09 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: That seems to be of general utility. I recommend sending feature request to implementors. I think a much shorter path to success would be having a Show/Hide All Comments button. :-) Yeah

Re: [whatwg] [editing] Additional miscellaneous commands

2011-08-18 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 18.ágú 2011 21:05, skrifaði Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo: Now if someone had some bright idea to enable finding in the hidden text that would be perfect, but the view source workaround is good enough for the moment. That seems to be of general utility. I recommend sending feature

Re: [whatwg] video preload implementation feedback

2011-08-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mið 17.ágú 2011 15:44, skrifaði Philip Jägenstedt: I'd very much like to see feedback from other implementors. Are you happy with treating autoplay and preload as just hints as in [4] or do you think that we should specify them in greater detail? (This does not preclude having user

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-13 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 11. ágúst 2011 04:54, skrifaði Jukka K. Korpela: It's debatable and irrelevant in this context what RTF, TeX, and text/enriched are. The issue is whether HTML can express simple things like bolding in quoted material - or, rather, whether such simple expressivity is to be declared

Re: [whatwg] File API Streaming Blobs

2011-08-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 8.ágú 2011 20:31, skrifaði Simon Heckmann: Well, not directly an answer to your question, but the use case I had in mind is the following: A large encrypted video (e.g. HD movie with 2GB) file is stored using the File API, I then want to decrypt this file and start playing with only

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-10 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: [...] Please note that this isn't about favoring HTML over presentational markup languages; none of the alternatives mentioned is a markup language at all. RTF, TeX and text/enriched

Re: [whatwg] Small consistency issue with HTML5 nav element examples

2011-08-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 8/2/11, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Unfortunately, as I said above... what we want and what we get don't always match. There's not much we can do here to push authors further. On the other hand, why accommodate the desires of authors? Why let authors decide whether I use gold on black or

Re: [whatwg] sic element

2011-08-02 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann þri 2.ágú 2011 09:04, skrifaði Henri Sivonen: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 22:39 +, Ian Hickson wrote: Presentational markup may convey useful information, for example that a quotation from printed matter contains an underlined word. HTML is the wrong language for this kind of thing. I

Re: [whatwg] input type=password... restrict reading value from JS?

2011-08-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 1.ágú 2011 15:25, skrifaði Aryeh Gregor: If you're doing useful password strength checks, regular expressions won't cut it. For instance, you'll want to check against dictionaries. Regex is only useful for crude and ineffective checks like must be at least six characters long with

Re: [whatwg] input element list attribute and filtering suggestions

2011-08-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 1.ágú 2011 15:28, skrifaði Aryeh Gregor: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: The overarching counterpoint is that in-page UI *is* an authoring issue, because authors want to control exactly how their page looks and behaves. Browser/chrome UI issues

Re: [whatwg] input element list attribute and filtering suggestions

2011-08-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 1.ágú 2011 15:28, skrifaði Aryeh Gregor: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: The overarching counterpoint is that in-page UI *is* an authoring issue, because authors want to control exactly how their page looks and behaves. Browser/chrome UI issues

Re: [whatwg] input type=password... restrict reading value from JS?

2011-07-29 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/11/11, Sean Connelly s...@pbwhere.com wrote: As a web developer, if I wanted access to the password, I would then avoid using the input type=password field, and create my own field that reads characters (perhaps via onkeyup), and fakes a password field visually. Fair point. I also worry

Re: [whatwg] Page displayed during/after download (meta refresh downloads)

2011-07-25 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fös 22.júl 2011 23:09, skrifaði Kornel Lesiński: 2. Allow website to show additional information about the download, while the download is taking place. And to satisfy all three cases (without breaking links), it needs to be done at HTTP level, by adding HTTP header (or multipart response?

[whatwg] window.status and window.defaultStatus

2011-07-24 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Are JavaScript implementors willing to reimplement window.status? There are obvious security problems with drawing an author-provided string where a certain URI is expected, but could window.defaultStatus not set the name (_NET_WM_NAME or equivalent) of the script's window and window.status

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fös 15.júl 2011 18:39, skrifaði Jonas Sicking: 2011/7/14 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)ife...@google.com: One concern which was brought up was the ability to cause the user to download a file from a third party site. I.e. this would allow evil.com to trick the user into downloading an email from the

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fös 15.júl 2011 21:34, skrifaði Darin Fisher: 2) Unlike rel=something, @download provides a way to specify the name of the file to save. This makes the feature useful with data: URLs and blob: URLs (that are not backed by a single file). This is valuable to me because I can imagine

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann sun 17.júl 2011 18:36, skrifaði Jukka K. Korpela: 17.07.2011 18:07, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: I think it would be rather trivial. The string “ISBN” followed by something that matches the syntax of ISBN numbers, perhaps allowing some variation in punctuation, could be treated as an

Re: [whatwg] Custom protocol handlers

2011-07-17 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann sun 17.júl 2011 22:46, skrifaði Ben Schwarz: 3) As a web designer / developer I want to be able to ascertain if another website has registered a custom protocol handler in the user’s browser So that I can knowingly design and implement an integration experience 4) As a web designer /

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-15 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/15/11, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: 14.07.2011 16:10, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: I don't think author names are allowed in cite in HTML 5. They aren’t, but HTML5 linters (“validators”) won’t report the issue, as they don’t understand the meanings of words. That doesn't make

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-15 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/15/11, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Should it? Even when the book has no URL? If you expect urn:isbn:… to work anytime soon in any significant browser, you’re very optimistic. Wikipedia and Amazon (among others) have all the mechanisms already. Such ISBN handlers could even

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 14.júl 2011 09:38, skrifaði Oli Studholme: in graphic design a footer contains supplementary information about the content it follows. the spec initially disallowed ‘fat footers’, but the naming and common usage would have led to people using them for fat footers regardless of the spec.

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 14.júl 2011 11:09, skrifaði Jukka K. Korpela: 14.07.2011 13:49, Karl Dubost wrote: blockquote cite=urn:isbn:978-2-07-07533-7 pSur un pétale de lotus, j'écrivis ces quelques vers :/p p«qMême si l'on vient me chercherbr/ Comment, abandonnant la roséebr/ De pareil lotus,br/

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/14/11, Kevin Marks kevinma...@gmail.com wrote: There is another common pattern, seen in blogging a lot, of putting the citation at the top eg As cite class=vcarda href=http://www.gyford.com/phil/; class=url rel=acquaintance met colleagueabbr title=Phil Gyford class=fnPhil/abbr/a/cite

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/14/11, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com wrote: Many websites wish to offer a file for download, even though it could potentially be viewed inline (take images, PDFs, or word documents as an example). Traditionally the only way to achieve this is to set a content-disposition header.

Re: [whatwg] a rel=attachment

2011-07-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 7/14/11, Karl Dubost ka...@opera.com wrote: what about adding a href=foo.pdf target=_downloadSave a Tree, Eat a beaver/a This seems like the best solution to me. A filename hint has two use cases: a suggestion for a local identifier, and providing a filename extension for systems that use

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-12 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not arguing against rendering attribution. On the contrary, IMO user agents should render at least the title of the cited resource. This is a can of worms as authors will want control over both content and style

Re: [whatwg] Call for Clarification of the Menu Element Et Al.

2011-07-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann lau 9.júl 2011 04:29, skrifaði Hugh Guiney: 6.1 On that note, why is the spec enabling the use of unstyled spans to achieve alternative rendering? Doesn't this give meaning (however contextual) to an element that is supposed to be semantically neutral? Can you think of any other uses for

Re: [whatwg] input type=password... restrict reading value from JS?

2011-07-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann sun 10.júl 2011 08:08, skrifaði Alex Vincent: /** * Check if a password field's value matches another. * * @param otherPassword Another password element. * * @throws Error if this.type != password * @throws Error if other.type != password * * @returns Boolean True if the

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
, such as the quotation itself. It's simply a question of blockquote Lorem ipsum footer a href=kennitala:2112952019 title=Bjartur ThorlaciusBjartur/a on time datetime=1997-4-2the second April, 1997/time /footer /blockquote vs blockquote title=Bjartur Thorlacius datetime=1997-4-2 cite

Re: [whatwg] The blockquote element spec vs common quoting practices

2011-07-08 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
of the blockquote may very well be easier to implement. But is it really possible to mark such citations up without presentational elements? !-- 2112952019 = my national ID -- blockquote cite=kennitala:2112952019 title=Bjartur Thorlacius pLook ma, no lt;footer!/p pI think we should keep citations outside

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-07-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fim 7.júl 2011 05:30, skrifaði Felix Halim: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Karl Dubostka...@opera.com wrote: http://uhunt.felix-halim.net/id/339 I'll look into your site when I've slept, but FYI, you're mandated to provide a title for your document. You should probably provide a title

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-07-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann fös 1.júl 2011 03:22, skrifaði Felix Halim: I'm looking for a solution that doesn't require modifying anything except adding a manifest. I recommend fixing your website. As others have stated, this has practical benefits, in the online as well as the offline case. As I said before,

Re: [whatwg] AppCache-related e-mails

2011-06-30 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Ask HTTP implementors to store a potentially stale fallback copy for offline use when an authoritative copy is unavailable. Even HTTP caches are allowed to return stale responses as long as they warn their clients (so they can warn their clients or fetch an authoritative copy via another route).

Re: [whatwg] Interpretation issue: can section be used for extended paragraphs?

2011-06-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/14/11, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Markus Ernst derer...@gmx.ch wrote: Consider: I like apples, pears, grapes, but not bananas. Nor do I like peaches. and: I like * apples * pears * grapes

Re: [whatwg] Support for page transitions

2011-06-11 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/9/11, Mikko Rantalainen mikko.rantalai...@peda.net wrote: 2011-06-07 18:07 EEST: Bjartur Thorlacius: Elaborate; they both refer to the next resource in a sequence of documents. Note that a document may be an element in multiple sequences of documents. Notice the word linear. I think rel

Re: [whatwg] Session Management

2011-06-10 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 3/11/11, Dave Kok upda...@davekok.net wrote: This may very well be a natural consequence of having a proposal like this implemented. But this would assume that implementers feel that having a logout button embedded into documents is considered superior then having a UA provided logout

Re: [whatwg] Support for page transitions

2011-06-07 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/7/11, Mikko Rantalainen mikko.rantalai...@peda.net wrote: Note that the next page button may or may not match with rel=next and as such, I think that there should be additional method for Elaborate; they both refer to the next resource in a sequence of documents. Note that a document may be

Re: [whatwg] Content-Disposition property for a tags

2011-06-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/6/11, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: My point was that there should be _a_ standardized way that sites can use to get consistent behavior across browsers. Content-Disposition headers see like that way to me. More importantly there should be an implementation defined convention so

Re: [whatwg] Content-Disposition property for a tags

2011-06-05 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/5/11, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: Why need they be? This isn't Bittorrent. I think you completely misunderstood my mail... the point is that browses do NOT all use the last non-empty path component; some try to guess a filename based on the query params, in various ways. No, I

Re: [whatwg] Content-Disposition property for a tags

2011-06-03 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/3/11, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: http://mysite.org/generate_progress_report.php?quarter=Q12010 When saving, it would be good to use something like Progress report of Q1 2010 as the filename. But that's not part of the URI in any sense. So you're suggesting using the title

Re: [whatwg] Content-Disposition property for a tags

2011-06-03 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 6/3/11, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/3/11 11:46 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Note that some browsers will do weird parsing of the query params to attempt to extract a useful filename. That seems strictly worse than just using Content-Disposition. That's slightly better

Re: [whatwg] Content-Disposition property for a tags

2011-06-02 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/26/11, Michal Zalewski lcam...@coredump.cx wrote: Keep in mind that the mechanism *is* extremely imperfect. It only works for MIME types and extensions recognized by the browser (which is a small list). There's a large disconnect between this set, the set handled by the OS, and the actual

Re: [whatwg] Unlimited pageStorage for App Cached web pages

2011-05-31 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/31/11, Felix Halim felix.ha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: The dynamic resources only updated if the user visit the particular app cached web-page. Yeah, that's logical. Caches should still be allowed to refetch

Re: [whatwg] Unlimited pageStorage for App Cached web pages

2011-05-30 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 30.maí 2011 03:42, skrifaði Felix Halim: Hmm.. yes, I think unlimited is a bad word (I just use it because currently App Cache quota is unlimited). Let me explain my need for pageStorage in a different way: Suppose I have a web page and want to store it in an App Cache. This web page

Re: [whatwg] Unlimited pageStorage for App Cached web pages

2011-05-29 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/28/11, Felix Halim felix.ha...@gmail.com wrote: To summarize, the pageStorage offers unlimited storage for dynamic content for the App Cached web pages. User agents may store expired pages for offline use. Internet Explorer and Firefox have 'Work offline' modes automatically enabled on

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for IsSearchProviderInstalled / AddSearchProvider

2011-05-16 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/16/11, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2011, Adam Shannon wrote: I'd rather see UA's implement better controls on their end than see an API which could be largely abused. (Drag and drop browser controls over tons of sites asking for permission to be the default.) I

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a web application descriptor

2011-05-06 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/6/11, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:41:24 +0200, Bjartur Thorlacius Of course, if the site requests coordinates, it's up to the user whether they come from /dev/gps or /dev/tty (or /n/3D Globe). Yeah, in principle. But given that most users aren't

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a web application descriptor

2011-05-05 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/5/11, Charles McCathieNevile cha...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 00:12:06 +0200, Bjartur Thorlacius svartma...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/3/11, Cameron Heavon-Jones cmhjo...@gmail.com wrote: There are a number of resources which are thought of having an 'application' scope which may

Re: [whatwg] Proposal for a web application descriptor

2011-05-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 5/3/11, Cameron Heavon-Jones cmhjo...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree a command-level authorization is a better default, if only because it is necessary to have this level of granularity available. Agreed. The quantity of permission requests can be managed in an effective manner by the

Re: [whatwg] Small consistency issue with HTML5 nav element examples

2011-05-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
navigation links (among many other things). From authors, I desire only content. Bjartur Thorlacius yet another End-User(tm)

Re: [whatwg] Indicate a file name for data: URLs?

2011-04-30 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 3/21/11, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.com wrote: On http://foolip.org/microdatajs/live/#json I have a Download it! function which uses data: URLs to save JSON generated by JavaScript. The only real limitation with this approach is that one cannot suggest a file name, so in Opera the

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2011-04-29 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/28/11, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: All current UAs would understand the link (and most probably present it to the user). Inline presentation is an optional luxury: the important thing is getting the media across. I, for one, can't find

Re: [whatwg] INCLUDE and links with @rel=embed

2011-04-28 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/28/11, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: An UA can support the scheme used without supporting the source element. If A was used, they just had to support A and the scheme. It's still not clear to me what problem this would solve. I see

Re: [whatwg] Physical quantities: var or i?

2011-04-14 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 4/14/11, Christoph Päper christoph.pae...@crissov.de wrote: Jukka K. Korpela: varc/var would be odd, wouldn't it, since the symbol denotes a universal constant of nature. It would not, ‘c’ is merely a variable with constant value. Well, a constant isn't really variable any more, is it? I

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