Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Stan
- Original Message - From: Karl Dubost ka...@opera.com it doesn't mean they are unhappy about it. Or more exactly that a fraction of them can even look for such a feature. In most cases ordinary users (not geeks) can not think of a feature, before software developers provide it

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Stan stas...@orc.ru schrieb am Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:51:57 +0300: […] The main point, if device ID could be available it would provide more great possibilities for users and web-services. From the top of my head, I can imagine the following possibilities: - persistant device tracking -

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Stan
Last thing to remember: the device ID is not something secret and forbidden for native applications. For example, Android provides Android ID and iOS ASIdentifierManager, which can be read by any installed application. Taking into consideration that many web-services do provide native clients,

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Fred Andrews
Hi Stan, From: stas...@orc.ru ... Subject: Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc) ... First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Stan stas...@orc.ru schrieb am Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:51:57 +0300: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, this is bacause there is no

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Lee Kowalkowski
On 13 December 2012 20:20, Stan stas...@orc.ru wrote: Hi, I'd like to proprose an API to get a unique device's ID in HTML5. What is a unique device ID? Do all devices have a unique ID? Which bit of hardware is responsible for storing such a thing? Who guarantees it's uniqueness, and how?

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Lee Kowalkowski
On 14 December 2012 08:51, Stan stas...@orc.ru wrote: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. A device ID won't register a user. Where will the profile information come from? If it comes from a web-based service

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: First, I don't think it's convenient for users to register themselves on many sites, which they visit occasionally. If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, this is bacause there is no other, more simple way (as

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: Last thing to remember: the device ID is not something secret and forbidden for native applications. For example, Android provides Android ID and iOS ASIdentifierManager, which can be read by any installed application. Taking into consideration that many

[whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Stan
Hi, I'd like to proprose an API to get a unique device's ID in HTML5. If some discussions/works do already exist on it, please let me know, I didn't find this stuff. In fact, a single method/property seems sufficient so far, say: window.navigator.deviceID. The property should return a string,

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: The reasoning for this API is the need to uniquely identify every device in many web-applications. Why do you need to identify the device? What about if the user uses the same browser profile on multiple devices? Or multiple browser profiles on the same

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Tobie Langel
On Dec 13, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012, Stan wrote: The reasoning for this API is the need to uniquely identify every device in many web-applications. Why do you need to identify the device? What about if the user uses the same browser profile on

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Stan
for users and web-services. Best wishes, Stan - Original Message - From: Tobie Langel tobie.lan...@gmail.com To: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch Cc: Stan stas...@orc.ru; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 14 déc. 2012 à 17:51, Stan a écrit : If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, it doesn't mean they are unhappy about it. Or more exactly that a fraction of them can even look for such a feature. Second, user accounts are based on e-mails as a

Re: [whatwg] API for unique identification of devices (mobile/tablet/pc)

2012-12-13 Thread Anselm Hannemann
On Friday, 14. December 2012 at 08:52, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 14 déc. 2012 à 17:51, Stan a écrit : If most of the users do this right now, it does not mean they are happy with this, it doesn't mean they are unhappy about it. Or more exactly that a fraction of them can even look