Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-03 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Sonntag, den 02.11.2008, 19:49 +0200 schrieb Pentasis: I had my doubts when I heard browser vendors were going to do the next standard. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt, I had high hopes as well. I read both the X/HTML5 and the XHTML2 spec over the past two months, and if I was

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-02 Thread Pentasis
* As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements). * For general purpose processing by user agents. The first role is clear, it is used for styles (not semantics) Ian answered to this. You'll similarly or identically style elements with

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-02 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign style information to a set of elements). * For general purpose processing by user agents. The first role is clear, it is used for styles (not semantics) Ian

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-02 Thread Pentasis
The problem with your entire reply is that you take the last remarks and respond to them out of context, but just on a final note: No, you're misunderstanding. *Why* are you styling some footnotes differently? I never said I am styling footnotes differently. I merely poiiunted out that

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-02 Thread Pentasis
All I can say is that I think discussions on this list are of a very closed, almost defensive nature. But perhaps that is my own fault. Your only fault, just like me, was to believe this was a serious place for discussion. But it isn't: it is just a tool: feedback praising the spec will be

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Andy Lyttle
On Oct 31, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: That's what the class attribute is for. What's the difference then between mark and span then? I mean, does the mark element provide anything that span with an appropriate class wouldn't? A default style when there's no CSS support, support

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
The spec already describes how to do footnotes: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#footnotes Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. As the mark element has different usages defined on it already why not

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008, Andy Lyttle wrote: On Oct 31, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: That's what the class attribute is for. What's the difference then between mark and span then? I mean, does the mark element provide anything that span with an appropriate class wouldn't?

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. I don't understand why these solutions aren't consistent or practical. First of all, the spec admits it itself: HTML does not have a dedicated mechanism for marking up footnotes. Here are the

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but this is a theoretical explanation that does not provide a consistent, practical solution. I don't understand why these solutions aren't consistent or practical. First of all, the spec admits it itself: HTML does

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Pentasis
Grouping and such is a stylistic concern, though - as long as the document expresses a footnote semantic, that's all it has to do. For the rest, we have a CSS Module that will cover that area, the Generated and Replaced Content module [1]. By an astonishing coincidence, the editor of this

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-11-01 Thread Eduard Pascual
First of all, I'd like to avoid any missunderstandings: I have nothing against the mark element itself; although I'm afraid my previous e-mails may lead to think otherwise. It could be a really good addition to HTML but, IMHO, it isn't yet, and I'm trying to show why I think so. On Sat, Nov 1,

[whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Pentasis
I hope I am doing this right, I am not used to mailing lists ;-) Anyway, following some discussions on the web regarding footnotes/side notes I have found that there is a need for some form of element to mark these up. The most commonly accepted element at the moment seems to be to use the

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I am doing this right, I am not used to mailing lists ;-) Anyway, following some discussions on the web regarding footnotes/side notes I have found that there is a need for some form of element to mark these up. The

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Pentasis
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Pentasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I am doing this right, I am not used to mailing lists ;-) Anyway, following some discussions on the web regarding footnotes/side notes I have found that there is a need for some form of element to mark these up. The

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Andy Lyttle
On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Pentasis wrote: I would never opt for using class for anything other than CSS styling. The reason for this being that I feel that neither id nor class should contain keywords, but only author defined words. For me a type or role attribute would be like an id

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Pentasis wrote: Anyway, following some discussions on the web regarding footnotes/side notes I have found that there is a need for some form of element to mark these up. The most commonly accepted element at the moment seems to be to use the small element. But this is

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Pentasis wrote: [...] As the mark element has different usages defined on it already why not include a type attribute (or similar) that defines what it is used for. One of these types would then be

Re: [whatwg] Add 'type' attribute to mark

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008, Eduard Pascual wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Pentasis wrote: [...] As the mark element has different usages defined on it already why not include a type attribute (or similar) that defines what it is