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On 24 Sep 2014 20:40, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote:
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same information from there as is already
available in the UA
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Hi,
Oops, misunderstanding all around, sorry about that...
Maybe I can try and explain.
Here's how I would define the various UA-sniffing techniques :
1 - Client-side :
- Parse : 'read' and interpret 'known' elements in appName,
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:24 PM, eberhard speer jr. ses...@ducis.net wrote:
If you are interested in the intricacies of UA-sniffing, client and
server-side, the use-cases, the esoterica etc I'll gladly contribute
what I can.
I guess the question at hand is:
What are the client-side situations
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On 03/10/2014 09:38, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:24 PM, eberhard speer jr.
ses...@ducis.net wrote:
If you are interested in the intricacies of UA-sniffing, client
and server-side, the use-cases, the esoterica etc I'll gladly
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:09 AM, eberhard speer jr. ses...@ducis.net wrote:
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On 03/10/2014 09:38, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:24 PM, eberhard speer jr.
ses...@ducis.net wrote:
If you are interested in the intricacies of
On 3 Oct 2014 14:25, eberhard speer jr. ses...@ducis.net wrote:
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Hi,
Maybe you missed my initial message : I am a contributor [IPMC] to the
Apache DeviceMap Project. [http://incubator.apache.org/devicemap/]
DeviceMap does expert UA-sniffing
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 19:43, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Jonas
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 19:43, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, at 04:39, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 19:43, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking
On 3 Oct 2014 04:45, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, at 04:39, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:57 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr
wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 19:43, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, at 05:50, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
I've not used it - maybe others have some insights.
Sorry about that. I misread your previous messages and presumed that you
were related to the Cordova project.
-- Mounir
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Hi,
Maybe you missed my initial message : I am a contributor [IPMC] to the
Apache DeviceMap Project. [http://incubator.apache.org/devicemap/]
DeviceMap does expert UA-sniffing both client and server-side.
Apache Cordova on the other hand is a mobile
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Thoughts?
Do you have any data that makes you think that those websites would stop
using UA sniffing but start
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Thoughts?
Do you have any data that
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, at 15:01, Jonas Sicking wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at
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Hi,
I understand the focus is on the client-side, understandably, but
please note that on both client and server side UA sniffing is used
for 'responsive' design. On the server side for example it can be used
to route requests or format responses.
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Thoughts?
Do you have any data that makes you think that those websites would stop
using UA sniffing but start using navigator.deviceModel if they had that
property available?
-- Mounir
Am I right that a lot of the mentioned problems stem from old Android
devices with browsers that have been shoddily hacked and broken by the
manufacturers (presumably in the name of making improvements)? For
example I remember specific versions of some Samsung Android device
browsers would freeze
Ashley Gullen ash...@scirra.com writes:
Am I right that a lot of the mentioned problems stem from old Android
devices with browsers that have been shoddily hacked and broken by the
manufacturers (presumably in the name of making improvements)?
Key words “old devices” and “shoddily hacked”.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Mounir Lamouri mou...@lamouri.fr wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
Thoughts?
Do you have any data that makes you think that those websites would stop
using UA sniffing but start using navigator.deviceModel if they had that
property
Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc writes:
In some cases websites uses the UA strings for bad reasons (this is
how we've always done it), in other cases because it's literally the
best way for them to create a good user experience for their users.
I have seen lots of the former and only some of
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp
n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote:
Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc writes:
In some cases websites uses the UA strings for bad reasons (this is
how we've always done it), in other cases because it's literally the
best way for them to
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same information from there as is already
available in the UA string. That would at least help with the parsing
problem.
And if means that we could more
On 24 Sep 2014 20:40, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote:
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same information from there as is already
available in the UA string. That would at least
Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com writes:
On 24 Sep 2014 20:40, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote:
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same information from there as is
On Sep 24, 2014 3:40 AM, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote:
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same information from there as is already
available in the UA string. That would at
On Sep 24, 2014 3:51 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 24 Sep 2014 20:40, James Graham ja...@hoppipolla.co.uk wrote:
On 24/09/14 02:54, Jonas Sicking wrote:
In the meantime, I'd like to add a property to window.navigator to
enable websites to get the same
Hi All,
Right now all mobile browsers expose the mobile device model through
the UA string.
There are lots of us, me included, that wish that we could stop doing
this. The problems are at least:
* Exposes more finger printing bits. (I'm aware that people feel
differently about how big of a
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