Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-26 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Bronslav - keeping to the technical as per hixi'e request you wrote: both derives their authority from browser vendors - specification not supported by majority of browsers is irrelevant, developers can only work with what is in the browser (plugins are becoming obsolete, as it would

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-26 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Hi Steve, you are trying to keep it technical by picking one example. But I guess you are missing a point, this is not technical issue here, this is not about choosing, this is about market. I do understand, that HTML is more than a set of tags and rules to use them, there are a lot of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 20 July 2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The claim that HTML the living standard is

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 13:45, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 20.7.2012 14:38, Steve Faulkner wrote: Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
Canonical means neither correct nor accurate, those words have no meaning in this case, you cannot apply them on set of rules (you first have to have set of rules, to claim, whether something is accurate or correct within the boundaries of those rules), canonical means, that those set of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to follow W3C and some different WHATWG

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of WHATWG (as far as I know), and if some choose to

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread David Bruant
Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of tasks, but not all major vendors are part of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Steve Faulkner
hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C group doesn't demonstrate any serious lapses

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:52, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 16:36, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : On 25.7.2012 16:04, David Bruant wrote: Le 25/07/2012 15:32, Bronislav Klučka a écrit : And my last remark: I hope major browser vendors will chose to follow the same path, the same implementation of

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Bronislav Klučka
On 25.7.2012 16:55, Steve Faulkner wrote: hi Bronislav you wrote: I was just looking at WHATWG wiki and there is nice sentence: In general the WHATWG will ensure that the normative content of the specifications (the requirements on authors and implementors) remains the same so long as the W3C

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 25 juil. 2012 à 10:04, David Bruant a écrit : W3C forgot that. Who did? I mean, the actual people. Nobody forgot. The discussions are not about WHATWG vs W3C. This is nonsense. There W3C is not a monolithic bloc either. Most of the browser engineers working on whatwg lists, IRC channels,

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is discouraged on this mailing list so that we can maintain a high technical

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 25 July 2012 18:12, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: To reiterate the statement I made in the original post on this thread: If you have any questions, I encourage you to e-mail me privately or ask on the IRC channel (#whatwg on Freenode); process-related discussion is discouraged on this

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called HTML5 and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. Is this the long term project name, or just a

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-25 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2012-07-25 20:40, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2012, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Just so that it's possible to understand how to name the two new branches correctly, can you confirm that the W3C branch is now called HTML5 and the WHATWG branch is named 'HTML Living Standard'. Is this the long

Re: [whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-20 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi Hixie, I believe you have made some spurious claims, one of them being; The WHATWG effort is focused on developing the canonical description of HTML and related technologies The claim that HTML the living standard is canonical appears to imply that the requirements and advice contained

[whatwg] Administrivia: Update on the relationship between the WHATWG HTML living standard and the W3C HTML5 specification

2012-07-19 Thread Ian Hickson
If you've been happily ignoring the W3C's involvement with HTML these past few years, you can stop reading now. If you got a bunch of bugmail recently and want to know why, the explanation is below. A few years ago (around 2007), we started working with the W3C on what we were then