Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-07-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Doug Turner wrote: I have added two new events to Firefox which allow web apps to detect light and proximity changes. http://dougturner.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/device-proximity-sensor/ http://dougturner.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/device-light-sensor/ I spoke to Doug

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-07-11 Thread Doug Turner
Hey Ian, The Sensor API Specification in the W3 is going to own them. - Original Message - From: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch To: wha...@whatwg.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:27:17 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events On Fri, 4 May 2012, Doug Turner wrote: I

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Doug Turner do...@mozilla.com wrote: Where was that discussion? This came up at the WebApps F2F and there was general agreement that if we added new events adding new event handler attributes would make sense. Feature detection of some kind is useful as forcing

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Rich Tibbett
Scott González wrote: On Tuesday, May 8, 2012, Doug Turner wrote: You don't. This API doesn't have device detection. Don't assume that onXXX means that the UA supports an event. I thought this was the preferred way to check. I seem to recall a discussion about this and agreement that this

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Doug Turner
On May 9, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Doug Turner do...@mozilla.com wrote: Where was that discussion? This came up at the WebApps F2F and there was general agreement that if we added new events adding new event handler attributes would make

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Scott González
There was a related discussion on the mailing list: http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-November/029252.html I also found a message from Hixie to me, related to that thread: I agree entirely that if an event has a use case, it makes sense for it to have an event handler

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Tran, Dzung D
...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Turner Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:31 AM To: Anne van Kesteren Cc: Jonas Sicking; wha...@whatwg.org; Scott González; JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA; Andrei Popescu; Carr, Wayne Subject: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events On May 9, 2012, at 3:14

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Doug Turner
That is different -- Hixie can chime in. I think the idea is that if you have and dom event handler, you should also have an on event handler attribute. Its meaning is less defined. I do not think it means that if ondevicemotion exists, that means you will always see device motion

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-09 Thread Scott González
The original question was How do you detect if the UA supports each of these sensor? I don't think we're asking whether you'd get events, but whether you can detect that the UA actually supports the event. I would think the UA should expose support (via onxxx attributes) if the UA and device

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Andrei Popescu
De: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] En nombre de Doug Turner [do...@mozilla.com] Enviado el: viernes, 04 de mayo de 2012 22:03 Para: Tran, Dzung D CC: wha...@whatwg.org Asunto: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events I looked

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Andrei Popescu andr...@google.com wrote: Neither have we and we have been supporting device orientation for a while in both Chrome (desktop and Android) and Android Web Browser... To me, Doug's proposal seems reasonable. Is the expectation that these new events,

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Andrei Popescu andr...@google.com wrote: Neither have we and we have been supporting device orientation for a while in both Chrome (desktop and Android) and Android Web Browser... To me,

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Doug Turner
On May 8, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: The reason that I'm not really happy with this API is the fact that it forces pages to remove all event listeners in order to shut down a sensor. True. I haven't heard of anyone actually worrying about this. It seems more author friendly

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Doug Turner do...@mozilla.com wrote: On May 8, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: The reason that I'm not really happy with this API is the fact that it forces pages to remove all event listeners in order to shut down a sensor. True.  I haven't heard of

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Carr, Wayne
...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Jonas Sicking Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:02 PM To: Doug Turner Cc: JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA; wha...@whatwg.org; Andrei Popescu Subject: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Doug Turner do...@mozilla.com wrote: On May 8

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Doug Turner
FONSECA; wha...@whatwg.org; Andrei Popescu Subject: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Doug Turner do...@mozilla.com wrote: On May 8, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: The reason that I'm not really happy with this API is the fact

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Scott González
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012, Doug Turner wrote: You don't. This API doesn't have device detection. Don't assume that onXXX means that the UA supports an event. I thought this was the preferred way to check. I seem to recall a discussion about this and agreement that this was the best way to

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-08 Thread Doug Turner
On May 8, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Scott González wrote: On Tuesday, May 8, 2012, Doug Turner wrote: You don't. This API doesn't have device detection. Don't assume that onXXX means that the UA supports an event. I thought this was the preferred way to check. I seem to recall a discussion

[whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-04 Thread Doug Turner
I have added two new events to Firefox which allow web apps to detect light and proximity changes. http://dougturner.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/device-proximity-sensor/ http://dougturner.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/device-light-sensor/ I'd like feedback and to see if there was any interest in

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-04 Thread Tran, Dzung D
...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Turner Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:02 AM To: wha...@whatwg.org Subject: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events I have added two new events to Firefox which allow web apps to detect light and proximity changes

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-04 Thread Doug Turner
this in the next couple of days. Thanks Tran -Original Message- From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Doug Turner Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:02 AM To: wha...@whatwg.org Subject: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-04 Thread JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA
Doug Turner [do...@mozilla.com] Enviado el: viernes, 04 de mayo de 2012 22:03 Para: Tran, Dzung D CC: wha...@whatwg.org Asunto: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events I looked at the Sensor API. I was hoping to have something very simple and lightweight. I most likely will implement other

Re: [whatwg] Device proximity and light events

2012-05-04 Thread Doug Turner
of addEventListener De: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org] En nombre de Doug Turner [do...@mozilla.com] Enviado el: viernes, 04 de mayo de 2012 22:03 Para: Tran, Dzung D CC: wha...@whatwg.org Asunto: Re: [whatwg] Device proximity