Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-10-08 Thread Brian Campbell
On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: For example, see Google Gadgets http://www.google.com/webmasters/gadgets/, or iframe sandboxes used for isolating untrusted content while still being inline in the page. Yes, if we add doc= support to iframe maybe that would make this case

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-10-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Brian Campbell wrote: On Jun 4, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: A title is usually a good idea, but is it really necessary to require this for conformance? After all, a title is not something which an

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-09-23 Thread Brian Campbell
On Jun 4, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Øistein E. Andersen wrote: A title is usually a good idea, but is it really necessary to require this for conformance? After all, a title is not something which an author is likely to forget, and leaving it out has no

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-06-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, �istein E. Andersen wrote: HTML can be used as an advanced text format, and people may want to convert existing plain text to HTML. For example's sake, consider the following: A Short Document This is a short plain-text document which someone

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Enright
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Michael Enright wrote: If you use HTML as a text file format you can still let the receiving parser infer all sorts of tags and allow yourself to write things like Andersen's first HTML version. If you want a title, put a title element in. Is the concern about

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-18 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
On 18 Apr 2009, at 00:02, Randy Drielinger wrote: If you're converting from a textfile, title could refer to the filename. It could, but chances are that the original filename would typically be less useful than the URL, which is what most browsers use when the title element is omitted,

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-18 Thread Markus Ernst
Øistein E. Andersen schrieb: On 18 Apr 2009, at 00:02, Randy Drielinger wrote: If you're converting from a textfile, title could refer to the filename. It could, but chances are that the original filename would typically be less useful than the URL, which is what most browsers use when the

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-18 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
The DOCTYPE is required and it should be. That way, the text introduces itself and instructs the reader about the expected renderer (in absence of external metadata). I have seen several products (mail readers and proxies, on-line help systems, fora etc.) trying to interpret every text as HTML,

[whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-17 Thread Øistein E . Andersen
HTML can be used as an advanced text format, and people may want to convert existing plain text to HTML. For example's sake, consider the following: A Short Document This is a short plain-text document which someone might want to convert into HTML. As faithful readers of

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-17 Thread Randy Drielinger
. - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Øistein E. Andersen li...@coq.no Verzonden: vrijdag 17 april 2009 21:49 Aan: wha...@whatwg.org Onderwerp: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional? HTML can be used as an advanced text format, and people may want to convert existing plain text to HTML

Re: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional?

2009-04-17 Thread Michael Enright
. Personally I don't see any reason to make title optional. - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Øistein E. Andersen li...@coq.no Verzonden: vrijdag 17 april 2009 21:49 Aan: wha...@whatwg.org Onderwerp: [whatwg] HTML as a text format: Should title be optional? HTML can be used as an advanced