Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: What is a main media resource? e.g. consider youtubedoubler.com; what is the main resource? Or similarly, when watching the director's commentary track on a movie, is the

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-20 Thread David Dailey
Silvia Pfeiffer and Ian Hickson exchanged: Yes, and the same (lack of definition) goes for javascript manipulation. It'd be great if we had the tools for manipulating video and audio tracks (extract/insert frames, move audio snippets around). It would make A/V editing - or more creative

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-20 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
That actually was a quote form Jeroen and Ian, not me. :-) S. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:31 AM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.net wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer and Ian Hickson exchanged: Yes, and the same (lack of definition) goes for javascript manipulation. It'd be great if we had the tools

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-20 Thread Chris Double
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:31 PM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.net wrote: When we do get around to it, it would be nice, as well, to be able to create sounds (as from wave forms) from scratch, in the browser. There's experimental work being done on this. For example:

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-18 Thread Jeroen Wijering
Hey Ian, all, Sorry for the slow response .. There's a big difference between text tracks, audio tracks, and video tracks. While it makes sense, for instance, to have text tracks enabled but not showing, it makes no sense to do that with audio tracks. Audio and video tracks require

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-12 Thread Eric Carlson
On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Jeroen Wijering wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: There's a big difference between text tracks, audio tracks, and video tracks. While it makes sense, for instance, to have text tracks enabled but not

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Jeroen Wijering
On Apr 8, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: *) Discoverability is indeed an issue, but this can be fixed by defining a common track API for signalling and enabling/disabling tracks: {{{ interface Track { readonly attribute DOMString kind; readonly attribute DOMString label;

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Jeroen Wijering
On Apr 8, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: but should be linked to the main media resource through markup. What is a main media resource? e.g. consider youtubedoubler.com; what is the main resource? Or similarly, when watching the director's commentary track on a movie, is the

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Eric Carlson
On Apr 10, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Mark Watson wrote: In the case of in-band tracks it may still be the case that they are retrieved independently over the network. This could happen two ways: - some file formats contain headers which enable precise navigation of the file, for example using

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Mark Watson
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Eric Carlson eric.carl...@apple.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Mark Watson wrote: In the case of in-band tracks it may still be the case that they are retrieved independently over the network. This could happen two ways: -

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Jer Noble wrote: On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: The distinction between a master media element and a master media controller is, in my mind, mostly a distinction without a difference. However, a welcome addition to the media controller would be

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-11 Thread Jer Noble
On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Jer Noble wrote: Sorry, by playbackState, I meant readyState. And I was suggesting that, much in the same way that you've provided .buffered and .seekable properties which expose the intersection of the slaved media

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-10 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: One particular issue that hasn't had much discussion here yet is the issue of how to deal with multitrack media resources or media resources that have associated synchronized audio

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-10 Thread Mark Watson
On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: One particular issue that hasn't had much discussion here yet is the issue of how to deal with multitrack media resources or media resources that have associated synchronized audio and video

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: One particular issue that hasn't had much discussion here yet is the issue of how to deal with multitrack media resources or media resources that have associated synchronized audio and video resources. I'm concretely referring to such things as

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-08 Thread Jer Noble
On Apr 7, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: The distinction between a master media element and a master media controller is, in my mind, mostly a distinction without a difference. However, a welcome addition to the media controller would be convenience APIs for the above properties

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-04-08 Thread Eric Winkelman
On Friday, April 08, 2011, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Eric Winkelman wrote: MPEG transport streams, as used for commercial TV, will often contain multiple types of metadata: content advisories, ad insertion opportunities, interactive TV application triggers, etc. If we were

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-02-17 Thread Eric Winkelman
PM To: Eric Winkelman Cc: WHAT Working Group Subject: Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML Hi Eric, I'm curious: if you are using @kind=metadata - which is not generically applicable, but only has application-specific data in it - then this implies that the web

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-02-17 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:34 PM To: Eric Winkelman Cc: WHAT Working Group Subject: Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML Hi Eric, I'm curious: if you are using @kind=metadata - which is not generically applicable, but only has application

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-02-16 Thread Eric Winkelman
. Eric --- Eric Winkelman CableLabs -Original Message- From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg- boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Silvia Pfeiffer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:41 PM To: WHAT Working Group Subject: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-02-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
- From: whatwg-boun...@lists.whatwg.org [mailto:whatwg- boun...@lists.whatwg.org] On Behalf Of Silvia Pfeiffer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:41 PM To: WHAT Working Group Subject: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML Hi all, One particular issue that hasn't had

Re: [whatwg] How to handle multitrack media resources in HTML

2011-02-14 Thread Jeroen Wijering
Hello Silvia, all, First, thanks for the Multitrack wiki page. Very helpful for those who are not subscribed to the various lists. I also phrased below comments as feedback to this page: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Multitrack_Media_API USE CASE The use case is spot on; this is