Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language)

2008-08-26 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language) The Microformats community, and all communities like it, require a group of people to come together, collaborate and create a standard vocabulary to express ALL semantics. A somewhat strained analogy would be bringing

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm than good to the representatives of

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Kristof Zelechovski wrote: Web browsers are (hopefully) designed so that they run in every culture. If you define a custom vocabulary without considering its ability to describe phenomena of other cultures and try to impose it worldwide, you do more harm than good to the representatives of

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Ben Adida
I'm really glad Manu's explanation was helpful. Thanks Manu! I don't want to interrupt this useful thread, I'll only contribute one piece of information in the form of an example application: Is this something that users actually want? How would this actually work? [...] It would be

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Greg Houston
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Ben Adida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's one example. This is not the only way that RDFa can be helpful, but it should help make things more concrete: http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey/ Using semantic markup in HTML (microformats and, soon, RDFa),

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Ben Adida
Greg Houston wrote: I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and soon HTML+RDFa, and makes that data

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Ben Adida wrote: Greg Houston wrote: I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and soon HTML+RDFa, and

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Manu Sporny
Ian, I am addressing these questions both personally and as a representative of our company, Digital Bazaar. I am certainly not speaking in any way for the W3C SWD, RDFa Task Force, or Microformats community. Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Manu Sporny wrote: Web browsers currently do

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement

2008-08-26 Thread Dan Brickley
Dan Brickley wrote: Ben Adida wrote: Greg Houston wrote: I am not sure if Ben was eluding to this in the last paragraph, but to further complicate things SearchMonkey is not actually using RDF, I think you're confusing two different layers. SearchMonkey parses HTML with microformats, and

Re: [whatwg] RDFa Problem Statement (was: Creative Commons Rights Expression Language)

2008-08-25 Thread Manu Sporny
Ian Hickson wrote: I have no idea what problem RDFa is trying to solve. I have no idea what the requirements are. Ian, this is not an official response from the RDF in XHTML Task Force or the Semantic Web Deployment Workgroup. It is a personal attempt to outline some of the problems that RDFa