Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-04-07 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Ian Fette (�~B��~B��~C��~C~U�~B��~C~C�~C~F�~B�) wrote: As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in all of the new

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-15 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 11. März 2010 14:50 schrieb Michael Nordman micha...@google.com: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: Yes, but I think there may be uses of things like storage for non-offline uses (pre-fetching

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-15 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 11. März 2010 14:35 schrieb Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com: 2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: AFAIK most browsers are setting a default quota for storage options that is on the order of megabytes. Could well be, indeed. It sounded like you'd done some thinking about

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Jeremy Orlow
2010/3/11 Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com 2010/3/10 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 10. März 2010 16:11 schrieb Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com: 2010/3/10 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: I would personally be in favor of this approach, if only we had a good way to define what it meant to offline the app. Right now, appcache, database, everything is advisory. The browser runs across an appcache manifest and magically makes it

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Mike Shaver
2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: I think apps will have to deal with hitting quota as you describe, however with a normal desktop app you usually have a giant disk relative to what the user actually needs. When we're talking about shipping something with a 5mb or 50mb default

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread イアンフェッティ
Am 11. März 2010 12:00 schrieb Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com: 2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: I think apps will have to deal with hitting quota as you describe, however with a normal desktop app you usually have a giant disk relative to what the user actually needs.

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: Yes, but I think there may be uses of things like storage for non-offline uses (pre-fetching email attachments, saving an email that is in a draft state etc.)  If it's relatively harmless, like 1mb usage, I don't want to pop up an infobar, I

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Mike Shaver
2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: AFAIK most browsers are setting a default quota for storage options that is on the order of megabytes. Could well be, indeed. It sounded like you'd done some thinking about the size, and I was curious about how you came up with that number

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2010/3/11 Mike Shaver mike.sha...@gmail.com: I think of an infobar as relatively innocuous, and a good balance of user awareness versus flow interruption, but I repeat my lack of interaction design credentials! Mark Pilgrim is trying to make his book, Dive Into HTML5, an offline app. In the

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Michael Nordman
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/3/11 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: Yes, but I think there may be uses of things like storage for non-offline uses (pre-fetching email attachments, saving an email that is in a draft state etc.) If

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-11 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
2010/3/11 Michael Nordman micha...@google.com: Also, this is being discussed in terms of apps. Can more than one app be hosted on the same site? And if so, how can their be stored resources be distinquished? Yes, but you have to manage conflicts yourself (frex by prefixing all your

[whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-10 Thread イアンフェッティ
As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in all of the new storage mechanisms (Local Storage, Web SQL Database, Web Indexed Database, the

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-10 Thread Jeremy Orlow
2010/3/10 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in all of the new storage mechanisms (Local Storage,

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-10 Thread Diogo Resende
Agree 100% (even with geolocation). On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 07:54 -0800, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-10 Thread Scott Hess
2010/3/10 Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org: 2010/3/10 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in all of

Re: [whatwg] Storage quota introspection and modification

2010-03-10 Thread Mike Shaver
2010/3/10 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com: As I talk with more application developers (both within Google and at large), one thing that consistently gets pointed out to me as a problem is the notion of the opaqueness of storage quotas in all of the new storage mechanisms (Local Storage,