Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-21 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
!DOCTYPE html6 would be an abomination, unless the root element changes to html6 also :-)

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-21 Thread Philip Taylor
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kristof Zelechovskigiecr...@stegny.2a.pl wrote: !DOCTYPE html6 would be an abomination, unless the root element changes to html6 also :-) Also it would trigger quirks mode in many existing browsers, and in any conforming HTML5 implementation. You'd have to use

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Philip Taylor wrote: (The HTML5 doctype reflects that in practice there aren't several independent carefully-separated languages - there's just a single vaguely-defined mess called HTML, described in a range of specifications and sometimes not specified at

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-21 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
PM To: dar...@chaosreigns.com Cc: whatwg Subject: Re: [whatwg] Validation Of course, a lot of legacy content will no longer validate with HTML5 validators; but where is the issue? It will still render. After all, no one would expect Don Quixote or Hamlet to be valid according to modern Spanish

[whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Darxus
Why is it okay for a document to not specify its HTML version? Do all browsers ignore it? How should a validator handle lack of HTML version info when the next standard is released with no DOCTYPE? Should validators ignore older HTML version numbers which are listed in DOCTYPES? Why aren't

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Montag, den 20.07.2009, 15:01 -0400 schrieb dar...@chaosreigns.com: Why is it okay for a document to not specify its HTML version? Because HTML 5 is designed with upwards-compatibility in mind. HTML 6 browsers should read HTML 5 documents just fine. Do all browsers ignore it? All modern

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Darxus
On 07/20, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: How should a validator handle lack of HTML version info when the next standard is released with no DOCTYPE? I assume the validator will probably check for a current version of HTML. Most of the older versions of HTML are subsets of current versions.

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Montag, den 20.07.2009, 16:12 -0400 schrieb dar...@chaosreigns.com: Say I have some pages on my site that are HTML7, because I know that IE 10 has pretty good support for it. And I have some other pages that are in HTML9 which became a Recommendation 4 years ago but which which IE 10

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Darxus
On 07/20, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Uh-okay. What could various means be ? Something like: object src=image.svg img src=image.png /object Why not use a HTML7 and a HTML9 validator in this case ? The HTML 7 validator could check all pages and report those that aren't valid HTML 7. Those

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Eduard Pascual
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:27 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: On 07/20, Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Uh-okay. What could various means be ? Something like: object src=image.svg img src=image.png /object Why not use a HTML7 and a HTML9 validator in this case ? The HTML 7 validator

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Darxus
On 07/20, Eduard Pascual wrote: feed/send/pipe/whatever all pages to the HTML7 validator: since HTML9 would be a superset of 7 You didn't mean that, did you? Oh, HTML9 would specify a superset of what browsers are required to handle gracefully, not actually including everything from 7 in 9.

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Paweł Stradomski
W liście Eduard Pascual z dnia poniedziałek 20 lipca 2009: Browsers are built incrementally. For example, IE10 is very likely to render properly any page that IE9 had rendered properly (plus some that IE9 couldn't handle). And IE9 will handle any page that IE8 handles (plus some that are too

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: Say I have some pages on my site that are HTML7, because I know that IE 10 has pretty good support for it.  And I have some other pages that are in HTML9 which became a Recommendation 4 years ago but which which IE 10 still doesn't

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Montag, den 20.07.2009, 23:54 +0200 schrieb Paweł Stradomski: W liście Eduard Pascual z dnia poniedziałek 20 lipca 2009: Browsers are built incrementally. For example, IE10 is very likely to render properly any page that IE9 had rendered properly (plus some that IE9 couldn't handle). And

Re: [whatwg] Validation

2009-07-20 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskoppnils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Caveat: This seems to be an IE issue, not an HTML issue. Why ? I checked the top 8 and bottom 4 sites on that list using the W3C validator and not a single one would validate. Quite a few