Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-09-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Erik Reppen wrote: My understanding of the general philosophy of HTML5 on the matter of malformed HTML is that it's better to define specific rules concerning breakage rather than overly strict rules about how to do it right in the first place This is incorrect. The

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-09-06 Thread Michael[tm] Smith
Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch, 2012-09-07 04:25 +: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Erik Reppen wrote: Why can't we set stricter rules that cause rendering to cease or at least a non-interpreter-halting error to be thrown by browsers when the HTML is broken from a nesting/XML-strict-tag-closing

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-16 Thread yuhong
Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu-4 wrote: Yep. I would encourage you to play with XHTML5 (application/xhtml+xml) more and report bugs to browsers. When I still had interest in application/xhtml+xml (back in 2007?), I got troubled by all the differences in the DOM APIs. I think currently most JS

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-13 Thread Erik Reppen
That spells out a major browser vendor issue much more clearly. I think just having the option to develop in application/xhtml+xml and switching to text/html is a good start though. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Karl Dubost ka...@opera.com wrote: Le 10 août 2012 à 20:19, Tab Atkins Jr. a

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-11 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 10 août 2012 à 20:19, Tab Atkins Jr. a écrit : I don't wish to spend the time to dig up the studies showing that 95% or so of XML served as text/html is invalid XML That doesn't really makes sense, but I guess what Tab meant is People attempting to write documents * with XML syntax rules

[whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Erik Reppen
My understanding of the general philosophy of HTML5 on the matter of malformed HTML is that it's better to define specific rules concerning breakage rather than overly strict rules about how to do it right in the first place but this is really starting to create pain-points in development. Modern

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Erik Reppen erik.rep...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding of the general philosophy of HTML5 on the matter of malformed HTML is that it's better to define specific rules concerning breakage rather than overly strict rules about how to do it right in the first

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Erik Reppen
This confuses me. Why does it matter that other documents wouldn't work if you changed the parsing rules they were defined with to stricter versions? As far as backwards compatibility, if a strict-defined set of HTML would also work in a less strict context, what could it possibly matter? It's

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Erik Reppen erik.rep...@gmail.com wrote: This confuses me. Why does it matter that other documents wouldn't work if you changed the parsing rules they were defined with to stricter versions? As far as backwards compatibility, if a strict-defined set of HTML

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Erik Reppen
Sorry if this double-posted but I think I forgot to CC the list. Browser vendor politics I can understand but if we're going to talk about what history shows about people like myself suggesting features we can't actually support I'd like to see some studies that contradict the experiences I've

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Erik Reppen erik.rep...@gmail.com wrote: Browser vendor politics I can understand but if we're going to talk about what history shows about people like myself suggesting features we can't actually support I'd like to see some studies that contradict the

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread David Bruant
Le 10/08/2012 20:06, Erik Reppen a écrit : Sorry if this double-posted but I think I forgot to CC the list. Browser vendor politics I can understand but if we're going to talk about what history shows about people like myself suggesting features we can't actually support I'd like to see some

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Erik Reppen
Thanks Hugh. I had mistakenly been thinking of XHTML5 as something that never happened rather than merely HTML5 served as XML which hadn't really occurred to me as being a viable option. I look forward to messing with this. This is precisely what I wanted to be able to do. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at

Re: [whatwg] Wasn't there going to be a strict spec?

2012-08-10 Thread Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu
(12/08/11 8:41), Erik Reppen wrote: Thanks Hugh. I had mistakenly been thinking of XHTML5 as something that never happened rather than merely HTML5 served as XML which hadn't really occurred to me as being a viable option. I look forward to messing with this. This is precisely what I wanted to