Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 6 déc. 2006 à 11:17, Karl Dubost a écrit : What Elias is saying is that the effort of RDFa community is 1. compatible with microformats (no changes are asked on this front) 2. being able to relate information distributed in a document (people do not want to have necessary to

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ian: Elias Torres wrote: On the other hand, we keep missing the point, that no matter what the syntax is, in microformats at least (our current answer) we can't differentiate from class values that are properties/classes(types) and which ones are not. Here's at least one good use-case

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: div span class=ibm-part-descriptionour part number span class=part-id123/span/span/div Yes? What about it? I guess this is similar to Karl's example. div id=order1 class=ibm-order span class=ibm-part-descriptionour part number

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-06 Thread Elias Torres
Thanks for your patience trying to work out these extremely hypothetical examples with me. I need to figure out a way to get the internal examples out here so we can discuss them concretely. In the meantime, you have motivated me to look at the existing infrastructure with a different perspective

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
I'm back. Sorry for the delay. Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: In one of the products, we need two things: one to specify our own piece of structure data (call it microformat, call it RDFa data). Could you give an example of the kind of data you're talking about

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread ryan king
On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Elias Torres wrote: If you can read in the uF wiki [1] there's really not much guidance on how to parse one or all of them. There is more documentation than you suggest. See [1], which documents how to parse hcards. Much of the hCard parsing guideline apply

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
There's plenty of documentation/code/test cases for *specific* microformats but no general rules for let's say additional fields in an hCard. Let me know if I'm missing any other documentation or overall principle in microformats. -Elias ryan king wrote: On Dec 4, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Elias

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: [...] I'm having trouble understanding what you're doing. Could you provide some actual code examples? They can be fictional, I'm just trying to work out what you're doing. For example: At the moment we have data defined using by XML schemas that

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread ryan king
On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Elias Torres wrote: There's plenty of documentation/code/test cases for *specific* microformats but no general rules for let's say additional fields in an hCard. Let me know if I'm missing any other documentation or overall principle in microformats. You're not

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
ryan king wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Elias Torres wrote: There's plenty of documentation/code/test cases for *specific* microformats but no general rules for let's say additional fields in an hCard. Let me know if I'm missing any other documentation or overall principle in

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Ian Hickson wrote: p id=order1 class=ibm-order p has purchased a span about=order1 property=ibm-part The key point here being the reference to an earlier blob in the same page, right? Interesting. That's something that currently can

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
On 12/5/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: p class=ibm-order span property=ibm-customer span property=ex-nameIan Hickson/span (span property=acme-id95237032895/span) /span has purchased a span

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: A few comments on your code. You can handle with n-levels deep, but not really nested property. Why not? I don't understand. Could you give concrete examples? You are also assuming that the content of the element is the entire value of the

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 6 déc. 2006 à 11:23, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Karl Dubost wrote: Interesting. That's something that currently can only really be done with tables, output, and hyperlinks; I wonder if we should add a fourth way that is more convenient for Microformat-like data. And it's

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: Also, remember, we are going after a declarative mechanism that binds structure to presentation and we don't know ahead of time all of the properties that are attached to a structure. I don't see why this is a problem.

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-05 Thread Elias Torres
I needed a family break. I'm back, sorry for the interruption. -Elias Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: A few comments on your code. You can handle with n-levels deep, but not really nested property. Why not? I don't understand. Could you give concrete examples?

[whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 déc. 2006 à 05:34, Ian Hickson a écrit : The other issue, supporting other vocabularies in HTML5, is an open issue, but it will be addressed in due course. We need more implementation experience first, and there are far more pressing problems. slightly related. What about foreign

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Elias Torres
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 5 déc. 2006 à 05:34, Ian Hickson a écrit : The other issue, supporting other vocabularies in HTML5, is an open issue, but it will be addressed in due course. We need more implementation experience first, and there are far more

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 déc. 2006 à 15:09, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Karl Dubost wrote: Le 5 déc. 2006 à 05:34, Ian Hickson a écrit : The other issue, supporting other vocabularies in HTML5, is an open issue, but it will be addressed in due course. We need more implementation experience first,

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Elias Torres
Ian Hickson wrote: On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: I work at IBM/Lotus and are in the process of shipping a series of internal components used by IBM employees as Lotus products. We have tried using microformats as an extension mechanism for HTML but found several limitations

Re: [whatwg] foreign attributes Re: several messages about XML syntax and HTML5

2006-12-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Elias Torres wrote: In one of the products, we need two things: one to specify our own piece of structure data (call it microformat, call it RDFa data). Could you give an example of the kind of data you're talking about and how you'd use it? Obviously I don't mean to ask