Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-07-24 Thread Jan Varga
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: If the options are: - authors never use the feature - users lose their control over their browser - the feature has a complicated API ...then we're stuck in a bad place, certainly. But I don't think those are the only

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-07-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: I don't think it's a good solution to leave it undefined if all/none/some of the UA menuitems are displayed by default. While it on an

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-14 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Optimising for the short-term shim author's experience rather than the long-term HTML authoring experience seems backwards to me. After input from a couple of other Gecko developers, I withdraw my objection to menuitem being

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-08 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: * menuitem is void (requires parser changes). * command is entirely gone. (Actually, I renamed command to menuitem and made it so it's only allowed in menu.) Did you actually make these changes to the parsing algorithm? It

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-05 Thread Justin Dolske
On 1/4/13 7:05 PM, L. David Baron wrote: I feel that I do see this quite often. maps.google.com, Google docs, and Zimbra are three examples off the top of my head that I spend a lot of time with. Has anyone asked the authors of these sites if they would have liked to retain the browser's

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM, David Young dyo...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:23:20AM +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Eric Sh. wrote: I was trying out the HTML5 context menu in firefox and I saw that there is no way(in the specs) to create an empty menu

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM, David Young dyo...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:23:20AM +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Eric Sh. wrote: I was trying out the HTML5 context menu in

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote: Gah, strongly agree. Simple example - I use Back constantly in the context menu, and would be really pissed if pages could easily kill that. [...] Can you elaborate on what you

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread David Young
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:34:11PM -0800, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM, David Young dyo...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:23:20AM +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Eric Sh. wrote: I was trying out the HTML5 context menu in firefox and

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread L. David Baron
On Friday 2013-01-04 16:52 -0800, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: What I was saying as a browser vendor is that I don't think that authors are going to use

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2013-01-04 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Jonas Sicking wrote: Gah, strongly agree. Simple example - I use Back constantly in the context menu, and would be really pissed if pages could easily

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-31 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: I don't think it's a good solution to leave it undefined if all/none/some of the UA menuitems are displayed by default. While it on an API level won't break anything, authors consider

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-29 Thread David Young
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:23:20AM +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Eric Sh. wrote: I was trying out the HTML5 context menu in firefox and I saw that there is no way(in the specs) to create an empty menu with only selected context menu items in it. So for example if I

[whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-28 Thread Ian Hickson
I've just checked in a somewhat large redesign of how context menus work in HTML. It's much more similar, though not identical, to what Firefox implements. It drops the command element, adds a menuitem element, introduces a button type=menu feature, and drops menu type=toolbar. High-level

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-28 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2011, Jonas Sicking wrote: I filed http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12999 on this a while ago. So far no changes to the spec though. I'm not sure I really agree with the premise of the bug. It

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-28 Thread Ian Hickson
(Oops, in my earlier message I cc'ed people instead of bcc'ing them, and this means reply-to-all replies are going to get caught in the mailing list software's filters. If you reply to this thread, please don't forget to strip the cc list down to nothing or only one or two people. If you

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-28 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: [rearranging the thread a bit here] While mean that authors still wouldn't have 100% control over the UX, they would have dramatically more control than as the proposal stands now,

Re: [whatwg] menu and friends

2012-12-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 28 Dec 2012, Jonas Sicking wrote: I don't think it's a good solution to leave it undefined if all/none/some of the UA menuitems are displayed by default. While it on an API level won't break anything, authors consider as breaking a lot more things than APIs not behaving as