Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-06-09 Thread Ian Hickson
Thanks to everyone contributing on this thread -- though it has not so far resulted in a change to the spec, this was a model discussion. On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, usuario wrote: Tiis may seem somewhat silly, every front-end developer have ever used a a wrapper div, shouldn't it be more semantic

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-03-01 Thread usuario
[resending reply, sorry again with problems] My idea of wrapper or content was to identify actual content from the rest of the window space. Like headerwrapperactual content centered at 960px/wrapper/header Thanks, I hope i can still contribute to the list, even if my thoughts seem odd.

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-03-01 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
On 3/1/11, usuario soyh...@gmail.com wrote: [resending reply, sorry again with problems] My idea of wrapper or content was to identify actual content from the rest of the window space. Like headerwrapperactual content centered at 960px/wrapper/header That seems like a presentational problem,

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-03-01 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 28.02.2011 19:56 schrieb Tab Atkins Jr.: I believe you're arguing that the wrapper semantic, being similarly ubiquitous, thus needs its own new element as well. What you're missing is that the wrapper semantic is precisely whatdiv already expresses. I do understand usuario's wrapper

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-03-01 Thread Jordan Dobson
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Markus Ernst derer...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 28.02.2011 19:56 schrieb Tab Atkins Jr.: I believe you're arguing that the wrapper semantic, being similarly ubiquitous, thus needs its own new element as well. What you're missing is that the wrapper semantic is

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-03-01 Thread Markus Ernst
Am 01.03.2011 23:50 schrieb Jordan Dobson: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Markus Ernstderer...@gmx.ch wrote: Am 28.02.2011 19:56 schrieb Tab Atkins Jr.: I believe you're arguing that the wrapper semantic, being similarly ubiquitous, thus needs its own new element as well. What you're

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-28 Thread Diogo Resende
I agree with Bjartur, div does the work fine. On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:40:15 -0500, ddailey wrote: Given that SVG and HTML are now interminglable in the same document, why not start intermingling their tag definitions? Please don't start mixing SVG+HTML properties or one day it will be a

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: [quotation reorganized by me] What semantics would such an wrapper element provide over div? I'd rather discourage, and provide alternative features to wrapping. Providing another element

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-28 Thread usuario
[Had problems sending my mails to the list, resending message] Some of you may be questioning why a wrapper element if it has not semantics, the thing is, It DO have semantics. Wrapper: a container element whose solely purpose is to isolate flow content for visually appealing purposes. It it

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-28 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 18:46 +, usuario wrote: [Had problems sending my mails to the list, resending message] Some of you may be questioning why a wrapper element if it has not semantics, the thing is, It DO have semantics. Wrapper: a container element whose solely purpose is to

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-28 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM, usuario soyh...@gmail.com wrote: div carries no semantic meaning.  If you are using it for such, the semantic is purely internal to your application, and thus doesn't carry the common meaning of semantics as used on the web. We have no problems with div

[whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-27 Thread usuario
Tiis may seem somewhat silly, every front-end developer have ever used a a wrapper div, shouldn't it be more semantic to have a wrapper element?

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-27 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
If said wrappers don't have any semantics but grouping loosely related elements, for which no semantic container exists, div seems appropriate. What semantics would such an wrapper element provide over div? I'd rather discourage, and provide alternative features to wrapping. Providing another

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-27 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: [quotation reorganized by me] On 2/27/11, usuario soyh...@gmail.com wrote: Tiis may seem somewhat silly, every front-end developer have ever used a a wrapper div, shouldn't it be more semantic to have a wrapper element? If said wrappers don't have any semantics but

Re: [whatwg] wrapper element

2011-02-27 Thread ddailey
Message - From: usuario soyh...@gmail.com To: whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: [whatwg] wrapper element Tiis may seem somewhat silly, every front-end developer have ever used a a wrapper div, shouldn't it be more semantic to have a wrapper element?