Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-27 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Max Romantschuk wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling resolution for currentTime. I doubt the previous implementations of start and end gave you a 3 sample

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-25 Thread David Singer
At 0:49 +1200 23/08/09, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Max Romantschuk mailto:m...@romantschuk.fim...@romantschuk.fi wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-24 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.comwrote: Xiph has spent a long time on developing libraries that make seeking simple for Ogg Theora/Vorbis and Firefox has the advantage of using these libraries. In fact we had to write this support ourselves. Rob --

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-22 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Max Romantschuk m...@romantschuk.fi wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling resolution for currentTime. I doubt the previous implementations of start and

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-22 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Max Romantschuk m...@romantschuk.fi wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-17 Thread Max Romantschuk
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Precision is influenced more strongly by the temporal resolution of the decoding pipeline rather than the polling resolution for currentTime. I doubt the previous implementations of start and end gave you a 3 sample accurate resolution even for wav files. I'll chime in

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-17 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Hi, I see no reason why they should not be applicable to data URIs when it is obvious that the data URI is a media file. This has not yet been discussed, but would be an obvious use case. OK. That would be welcome - although there could be syntactic problems as where to place fragment

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-17 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Max Romantschuk wrote: I'll chime in here, having done extensive work with audio and video codecs. With current codec implementations getting sample- or frame-accurate resolution is largely a pipe dream. (Outside of the realm of platforms dedicated to content production and playback.)

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-17 Thread Max Romantschuk
Dr. Markus Walther wrote: The much weaker goal I would propose is to support at least one simple lossless audio format in this regard (I am not qualified to comment on the video case). Simple means 'simple to generate, simple to decode', and PCM WAVE meets these requirements, so would be an

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: We would like to request that addCueRange/removeCueRanges be dropped from the spec before going into Last Call. We are not satisfied with it and want to see it replaced with a solution that includes (scriptless) timed text (a.k.a

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Philip Jägenstedtphil...@opera.com wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:48:59 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Dr. Markus Waltherwalt...@svox.com wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-15 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:47:32 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: The problem is that you can't use fragment identifiers with data-URIs. For example data:text/plain,hello world#frag Represents a text/plain document with the contents: hello world#frag It does not represent the

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-15 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Anne van Kesterenann...@opera.com wrote: On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:47:32 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: The problem is that you can't use fragment identifiers with data-URIs. For example data:text/plain,hello world#frag Represents a text/plain

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who decided this? Has this decision been made public on this list? It will be something like http://www.example.com/movie.mov#t=12.33,21.16 var

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Silvia, 2009/8/13 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. Not quite. You can always use the video.currentTime property in a javascript to directly jump to a time offset in a video.

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who decided this? Has this decision been made public on this list? It will be something like

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who decided this? Has this decision been made public on this list? It will be

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Dr. Markus Waltherwalt...@svox.com wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:28:14 +0200, Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com wrote: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of media fragments, which the Media Fragments Working Group is producing a spec for. Who decided this? Has this decision been made public on this list? It

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:42:50 +0200, Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com wrote: Silvia, 2009/8/13 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. Not quite. You can always use the

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-14 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:48:59 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Dr. Markus Waltherwalt...@svox.com wrote: Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2009/8/14 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: Hi, The .start/.end properties were dropped in favor of

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
I agree with this assessment. Please note that at this stage this is my personal opinion, since I haven't discussed it with other Mozilla developers yet. Regards, Silvia. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Philip Jägenstedtphil...@opera.com wrote: Hi, We would like to request that

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Dr. Markus Walther
Hi, please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. AFAIK, when dropping support for 'start' and 'end' attributes it was noted on this list that cue ranges would provide a replacement to dynamically select, say, a 3-second range

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:34:55 +0200, Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com wrote: Hi, please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. AFAIK, when dropping support for 'start' and 'end' attributes it was noted on this list that

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread David Singer
At 10:31 +0200 13/08/09, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: Hi, We would like to request that addCueRange/removeCueRanges be dropped from the spec before going into Last Call. We are not satisfied with it and want to see it replaced with a solution that includes (scriptless) timed text (a.k.a

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:31 AM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 10:31  +0200 13/08/09, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: Hi, We would like to request that addCueRange/removeCueRanges be dropped from the spec before going into Last Call. We are not satisfied with it and want to see it

Re: [whatwg] Remove addCueRange/removeCueRanges

2009-08-13 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
Hi Markus, 2009/8/13 Dr. Markus Walther walt...@svox.com: please note that with cue ranges removed, the last HTML 5 method to perform audio subinterval selection is gone. Not quite. You can always use the video.currentTime property in a javascript to directly jump to a time offset in a video.