Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Jeff Walden
Ian Hickson wrote: This is a proposal to add height and width attributes to link specifically for the case of rel=icon, so that authors can provide multiple icons and let the UA decide which to use based on their size (without having to download them all to find out which is best). Opinions?

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: [...] link type=icon type=application/svg sizes=any href=whatwg.svg link type=icon

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Michael(tm) Smith wrote: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2008-04-30 01:52 +: The Gears team has an API that allows authors to specify a set of icons: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/upcoming/api_desktop.html They used a scripted API, but when I tried

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Jeff Walden wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: This is a proposal to add height and width attributes to link specifically for the case of rel=icon, so that authors can provide multiple icons and let the UA decide which to use based on their size (without having to

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: I don't really prefer one to the other, just considering the possibilities we have at hand. My current thinking is that you can go one of 2 ways. #1: Pack everything into in link element. (I.e., what you were suggesting.)

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: [...] In practice, these things usually do not matter when using an icon in the user interface. But the sizes available do matter. I would not

[whatwg] Focus, html vs body and the activeElement property

2008-04-30 Thread Hans S . Tømmerholt
Hello. I'm reading this part: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#focus The intro states: When an element is focused, key events received by the document must be targeted at that element. There is always an element focused; in the absence of other elements being focused, the

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:41 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: [...] In practice, these things usually do not matter when using an icon in

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread timeless
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Michael(tm) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice the docs for the icons param of the Gears createShortcut() method describe four discrete sizes that all have the same height and width (An object containing one or more of these named properties: 128x128,

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: link rel=enclosure type=image/xxx width=640 height=480 compressioning=lossy coloring=truecolor href=A.xxx link rel=enclosure type=image/xxx width=1280 height=960 compressioning=lossy coloring=truecolor href=A.xxx link rel=enclosure type=image/xxx width=2560

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Martin Atkins
Ian Hickson wrote: (With my rarely-used Google hat on:) The Gears team has an API that allows authors to specify a set of icons: http://code.google.com/apis/gears/upcoming/api_desktop.html They used a scripted API, but when I tried to get them to use a declarative API, they said that the

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Martin Atkins
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: link rel=enclosure type=image/xxx width=640 height=480 compressioning=lossy coloring=truecolor href=A.xxx link rel=enclosure type=image/xxx width=1280 height=960 compressioning=lossy coloring=truecolor href=A.xxx link rel=enclosure

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Křištof Želechovski
I am agaist using compound attributes like this; make it 16times;16 if you insist. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maciej Stachowiak Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:13 AM To: Ian Hickson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

[whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread David Bolter
I have a concern about 3.5.3 Scrolling elements into view: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-interaction.html#scrollintoview In addition to concerns expressed by Brad Fults (http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-October/012655.html), I

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Brady Eidson
Following this thread, I just decided to throw this out there to see if I'm way off base or not... Since this is obviously a topic that has sparked a tad of passionate interest and there's not necessarily a clear solution that doesn't make link ugly, what are people's thoughts on adding a

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Brady Eidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this is obviously a topic that has sparked a tad of passionate interest and there's not necessarily a clear solution that doesn't make link ugly, what are people's thoughts on adding a new element for icon badging,

[whatwg] The origin of pages on the local file system

2008-04-30 Thread Jeff Walden
It was brought up during the latest postMessage patching in Mozilla that the HTML5-mandated origin for file: URIs groups all local file system pages into a single origin. Pages are increasingly being used in application-like contexts, and if Java is any example, grouping all files into the

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Kasting
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM, David Bolter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically I would ask that: 1. scrollIntoView not do anything in the case that the element is already fully visible (possibly in the middle of the viewport), or 2. ensureElementIsVisible to be added as described by

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Bonner, Matt (IPG)
Brady Eidson wrote: what are people's thoughts on adding a new element for icon badging, one that would only be valid within the head? Funny I wrote just that same question to the editor an hour ago. Since someone else brought it up, now I'm just adding to the thought. :-) The idea of an

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Martin Atkins wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: For color, you are reinventing Media Queries. For compression, you are basically reinventing q values for MIME types. link type=image/png;q=1.0 media=all and (min-color:8) link type=image/jpeg;q=0.8 media=all and (min-color:8) Could this be said

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread David Bolter
Peter Kasting wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM, David Bolter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically I would ask that: 1. scrollIntoView not do anything in the case that the element is already fully visible (possibly in the middle of the viewport), or

Re: [whatwg] The origin of pages on the local file system

2008-04-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Jeff Walden wrote: It was brought up during the latest postMessage patching in Mozilla that the HTML5-mandated origin for file: URIs groups all local file system pages into a single origin. Pages are increasingly being used in application-like contexts, and if Java is

Re: [whatwg] Origin feedback

2008-04-30 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Adam Barth wrote: The security origin of frames that begin life with the URL about:blank or differs in different browsers. In Firefox and the trunk revision of WebKit, the principal for the frame is aliased to the principal of the frame's parent (or opener, if it is a

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width=

2008-04-30 Thread Ernest Cline
-Original Message- From: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 29, 2008 9:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height= (With my rarely-used Google hat on:) The Gears team has an API that allows authors to specify a set of icons:

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Brady Eidson wrote: Following this thread, I just decided to throw this out there to see if I'm way off base or not... Since this is obviously a topic that has sparked a tad of passionate interest and there's not necessarily a clear solution that doesn't

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread L. David Baron
On Wednesday 2008-04-30 13:58 -0400, David Bolter wrote: 1. scrollIntoView not do anything in the case that the element is already fully visible (possibly in the middle of the viewport), or 2. ensureElementIsVisible to be added as described by Daniel Glazman

Re: [whatwg] Origin feedback

2008-04-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: The aliasing behaviour seems really dodgy. I've specced the copying behaviour, which also matches Opera. The reason you want to use aliasing is in a situation like this (file loaded from www.example.com) : html body iframe id=f/iframe

Re: [whatwg] link rel=icon width= height=

2008-04-30 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Lachlan Hunt wrote: Martin Atkins wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: For color, you are reinventing Media Queries. For compression, you are basically reinventing q values for MIME types. link type=image/png;q=1.0 media=all and (min-color:8) link type=image/jpeg;q=0.8 media=all and (min-color:8)

Re: [whatwg] Origin feedback

2008-04-30 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: The aliasing behaviour seems really dodgy. I've specced the copying behaviour, which also matches Opera. The reason you want to use aliasing is in a situation like this (file loaded from www.example.com) : html body iframe

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread Jonas Sicking
L. David Baron wrote: On Wednesday 2008-04-30 13:58 -0400, David Bolter wrote: 1. scrollIntoView not do anything in the case that the element is already fully visible (possibly in the middle of the viewport), or 2. ensureElementIsVisible to be added as described by Daniel Glazman

Re: [whatwg] scrollIntoView jarring?

2008-04-30 Thread Neil Deakin
Firefox seems to have an internal check for isElementInView, because calling scrollIntoView(false) after scrollIntoView(true) does nothing. e.g. scroll only if it's not visible at all Firefox 2 uses: scrollIntoView(true) scroll the element and its containers vertically such that the