Re: [whatwg] Arbitrary HTML in option-elements

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Matthew Raymond wrote: Olav Junker Kjær wrote: It would be a useful feature if arbitrary HTML was allowed in option elements. E.g. items in a dropdown could have different icons. Yeah, personally, I think we should look at adding the |icon| attribute to the option

[whatwg] select with tabular data

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I don't really follow what you are proposing here. Could you give more details? Think of a SELECT element which has a table formatted dropdown list. This enables you to do thinks like: Name Tel A. van Kesteren 000434

Re: [whatwg] [html5] 9.2. Focus

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 2 May 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I would like the specification to say more explicitly which value of the TABINDEX attribute is the default value. Is the spec clear enough now? As TABINDEX is likely to affect if elements will match :enabled and :disabled that should be stated

Re: [whatwg] fixing the authentication problem

2008-10-22 Thread Andy Lyttle
This is similar to the SSH model; the first time you connect, you're expected to manually check by some means that you're connecting to the right server. On subsequent connections, you won't be bothered unless the key changes. I'll concede that in most cases no-one actually verifies the

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: One of the difficulties is that many content providers don't want to clutter their page with help links Actually, given the way many sites actually do have help links, or ? icons, or the like, I don't see content providers being

Re: [whatwg] [WF3] The altinput Element

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote: The altinput element is intended to be a possible alternative to my earlier dataentry element. [...] I studied these proposals in depth. To summarise for people who weren't there 3 years ago or who have forgotten, the context is providing

Re: [whatwg] fixing the authentication problem

2008-10-22 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Level of trust affects your decisions about whether you post, what information you post, and whether you feel you have to encrypt it yourself. Chris -Original Message- From: WeBMartians [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:29 AM To: 'Eduard Pascual'; 'Kristof

Re: [whatwg] introduction, plus some form input ideas

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Ric Hardacre wrote: hello, i'm an asp developer in the uk and have a couple of suggestions... no doubt selfishly to make my life easier one day :-) these could probably do with their own threads if they're deemed worthy of discussion but let's just throw them out there:

Re: [whatwg] fixing the authentication problem

2008-10-22 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Internet Explorer will continue to display warnings about unencrypted submissions until you explicitly instruct it not to. I find this feature useful per se, it works as Do you really want to submit this information? Sometimes I do not, e.g. when I press something accidentally, and it allows me

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-10-22 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
A LINK element cannot have a LABEL ancestor so Ian's answer seems to answer a different request. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Hickson Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:43 AM To: Charles McCathieNevile Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Kristof Zelechovski wrote: rel=help is now defined to apply to the link element's parent and its children. A LINK element cannot have a LABEL ancestor so Ian's answer seems to answer a different request. By link element I meant whatever element was creating the link

Re: [whatwg] minlength attribute

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, laos wrote: minlength attribute. This attribute applies to texthttp://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#text, password http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#password, urlhttp://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#url, and email

Re: [whatwg] Callback driven initialization of canvas

2008-10-22 Thread Fabien Meghazi
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:04 PM, timeless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically in gecko today CAPS should be able to squish canvas methods per domain (not tested, but ask mao about offering a feature in noscript for it). The goal would not be to completely forbid canvas but to block it by

Re: [whatwg] fixing the authentication problem

2008-10-22 Thread timeless
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Aaron Swartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're thinking of SNI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication which doesn't work in IE6, IE6, or Safari, making it less than useful for anything serious. anything proposed today to be added would appear

Re: [whatwg] [html5] 9.2. Focus

2008-10-22 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:15:32 +0200, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: As TABINDEX is likely to affect if elements will match :enabled and :disabled that should be stated as well. Not sure I follow this. I'm not sure either anymore :-) I was

Re: [whatwg] Callback driven initialization of canvas

2008-10-22 Thread Philipp Serafin
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Fabien Meghazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The goal would not be to completely forbid canvas but to block it by default while allowing the user to activate it when he wants to. This is a nice feature to have, but the problem is, would it work in reality? It works

Re: [whatwg] Is fieldset interactive?

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Apr 3, 2006, at 09:47, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: Should fieldset count as an interactive element for the purpose of nesting rules? No, since as you say: A fieldset in a context where interactive

Re: [whatwg] Boolean attributes on datagrid

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: The multiple attribute, if present, must be either empty or have the literal value multiple. Similarly, the disabled attribute, if present, must be either empty or have the literal value disabled. (The actual values do not have any effect on how

Re: [whatwg] Which form inputs are interactive?

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Henri Sivonen wrote: The spec says: Certain elements in HTML can be activated, for instance a elements, button elements, or input elements when their type attribute is set to radio. When is an input element non-interactive? type='hidden' seems non-interactive. The

Re: [whatwg] Callback driven initialization of canvas

2008-10-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
Fabien Meghazi wrote: Will it be possible for the browsers to allow an extension such as canvas block ? My understanding is that it won't be possible (please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert) as the initialization of a canvas context is done as follow : var canvas =

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jonas Sicking wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Great! Thanks. I think your idea of making rel=help be relative to the nearest parent label is a good one. We could also say it is relative to the nearest parent label, body, section, form, fieldset, or other such

Re: [whatwg] Context help in Web Forms

2008-10-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: Great! Thanks. I think your idea of making rel=help be relative to the nearest parent label is a good one. We could also say it is relative to the nearest parent label, body, section, form, fieldset, or other such grouping element. I'll look at this in more detail when

Re: [whatwg] [html5] HTMLMapElement.images

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Shadow2531 wrote: On 7/1/06, dolphinling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you even have an image map on an input type=image ? Yes This is no longer allowed in the spec, actually. Is that a problem? -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.

[whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Oldřich Vetešník
Hello, I'd like to throw a question out here, please don't shoot me if it's been already answered, I'm a full-time coder and don't have an internet at home so I can't make any deep researches in your archives. Q: Is it possible that hidden inputs don't have to be in a semantic tag? That

Re: [whatwg] [wf2] Leap seconds, dates in the past

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Gervase Markham wrote: Henri Sivonen wrote: Could you elaborate on the use cases? Are there a lot of use cases on the Web now that force site author to hack awkward JavaScript widgets themselves? Can't they continue using those hacks for uses cases that are not

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Oldřich Vetešník [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello, I'd like to throw a question out here, please don't shoot me if it's been already answered, I'm a full-time coder and don't have an internet at home so I can't make any deep researches in your archives. Q: Is

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Oldřich Vetešník
Dne Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:40:55 +0200 Tab Atkins Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal/-a: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Oldřich Vetešník [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello, I'd like to throw a question out here, please don't shoot me if it's been already answered, I'm a full-time coder and don't

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:41:37 +0200, Oldřich Vetešník [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to throw a question out here, please don't shoot me if it's been already answered, I'm a full-time coder and don't have an internet at home so I can't make any deep researches in your archives. Q: Is it

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Oldřich Vetešník wrote: Q: Is it possible that hidden inputs don't have to be in a semantic tag? That is it passes the validation test without showing this error up: line 20 column 32 - Error: document type does not allow element input here; missing one of p, h1, h2,

Re: [whatwg] introduction, plus some form input ideas

2008-10-22 Thread Jonas Sicking
Ian Hickson wrote: 2. select tag: selectedindex=[num] implicitly set the selected index, instead of having to parse all the option tags and insert a selected string, much easier to bind to server side data, an invalid value (such as -1 or greater than the number of option tags) would mean

Re: [whatwg] introduction, plus some form input ideas

2008-10-22 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
I do not find the other code significantly simpler than the present one. I would rather say: Sub printOption(value, selected, text) Dim Opt Set Opt = Option. Create(value, text) Opt. selected = (value = selected) Response.Write Opt.outerHTML End Sub

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Wilson
I suggested the same thing a week ago: http://www.nabble.com/input-type%3Dhidden-outside-phrasing-content-td275 4.html#a2754 with replies here: http://www.nabble.com/Re:-input-type%3Dhidden-outside-phrasing-content-td200 00847.html#a20023298 The short answer is that for some elements

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Wilson
Ian Hickson wrote: I believe in HTML5 that we've allowed input in most places, which should satisfy your needs. Let us know if it does not. :-) We discussed this last week http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-October/016655.html and HTML5 is certainly a step forward in

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Wilson wrote: - allowing hidden input:s to actually live anywhere (this is probably hard to do dtd/validation-wise) It's easy to specify, the problem is that it makes it easy for authors to get in trouble if they change the type attribute on the fly (e.g. in an

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Adrian Sutton
On 22/10/2008 19:58, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Wilson wrote: - allowing hidden input:s to actually live anywhere (this is probably hard to do dtd/validation-wise) It's easy to specify, the problem is that it makes it easy for authors to get in trouble

Re: [whatwg] Caching offline Web applications

2008-10-22 Thread Michael Nordman
I haven't reviewed the new draft yet just a preliminary comment for now. * intercept namespaces [new] This form of namespace is not in the spec at present. This is a proposal to add it. It is a heavily used feature of the Gears LocalServer. The basic idea is to intercept requests into this

Re: [whatwg] input type=hidden and validation

2008-10-22 Thread Mike Wilson
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Wilson wrote: - allowing hidden input:s to actually live anywhere (this is probably hard to do dtd/validation-wise) It's easy to specify, the problem is that it makes it easy for authors to get in trouble if they change the type

Re: [whatwg] introduction, plus some form input ideas

2008-10-22 Thread timeless
You're doing dom work, the code jonas wrote reminds me of perl which typically doesn't generate a dom and then serialize it to send out over the wire. Among other things serializing often requires the entire document which means you can't build and incrementally send the document over the wire.