Re: [whatwg] Media elements delaying the load event.

2008-12-18 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:41 +1300, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Currently HTML5 does not require media elements to delay the load event in any way. We certainly don't want to delay the load event until the entire resource has finished loading (as we do for images), but I think it would make sense

Re: [whatwg] Media elements delaying the load event.

2008-12-18 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phil...@opera.comwrote: On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 14:41 +1300, Robert O'Callahan wrote: Currently HTML5 does not require media elements to delay the load event in any way. We certainly don't want to delay the load event until the entire

[whatwg] Proposal of an author element

2008-12-18 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Quotations in the context of an article usually consist of three elements: * the actual quote * the author of the quote * the citation source For two of these parts, there is markup; however, for the author, there is none. I have no reason to believe that the author is of

Re: [whatwg] Proposal of an author element

2008-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Nils Dagsson Moskopp wrote: Quotations in the context of an article usually consist of three elements: * the actual quote * the author of the quote * the citation source For two of these parts, there is markup; however, for the author, there is none. I have no reason to

Re: [whatwg] Modal dialogs in HTML5

2008-12-18 Thread Philipp Serafin
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, João Eiras wrote: While I myself don't find any decent use case for positioning the window, I think sizing the popup is a common and useful use case,besides controlling other aspected already covered by window.open(). Because the behavior for the

Re: [whatwg] MetaExtensions wiki page

2008-12-18 Thread Philipp Serafin
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:46:51 +0100, Philipp Serafin phil...@gmail.com wrote: I guess this is more a cosmetic remark, but I thought I'd bring this up anyway. I've noticed that the paragraph on the MetaExtensions wiki

Re: [whatwg] Phrasing semantics feedback omnibus

2008-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Ian Hickson wrote: This is an area that has had some research done: http://24ways.org/2006/marking-up-a-tag-cloud http://microformats.org/wiki/tagcloud-brainstorming I don't really see a compelling answer yet, and frankly tag clouds as a whole aren't really so important that we need

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-12-18 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2008/12/17 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch This doesn't cost any time in HTML either, since the tokeniser doesn't need to worry about what tags have end tags, the tree construction side just drops unexpected end tags on the floor. I don't think authors expect tags to disappear. don't check for

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Giovanni Campagna wrote: 2008/12/17 Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch This doesn't cost any time in HTML either, since the tokeniser doesn't need to worry about what tags have end tags, the tree construction side just drops unexpected end tags on the floor. I don't think authors expect

[whatwg] XSLT and DOCTYPES

2008-12-18 Thread Elliotte Harold
I managed to miss this one when it went around the first time, but I really have to speak up now. The second half of 8.1.1 is unnecessary noise and complexity: For the purposes of XSLT generators that cannot output HTML markup without a DOCTYPE, a DOCTYPE legacy string may be inserted into

[whatwg] Editorial comment: section 2.2

2008-12-18 Thread Elliotte Harold
However, if the element is found within an XSLT transformation sheet (assuming the UA also supports XSLT), then the processor would instead treat the script element as an opaque element that forms part of the transform. transformation sheet is not a term in common use, and I don't think it

[whatwg] 3.3.2 Elements in the DOM in other contexts

2008-12-18 Thread Elliotte Harold
The nodes representing HTML elements in the DOM must implement, and expose to scripts, the interfaces listed for them in the relevant sections of this specification. This includes HTML elements in XML documents, even when those documents are in another context (e.g. inside an XSLT transform).

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on HTML 5

2008-12-18 Thread Giovanni Campagna
2008/12/18 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com Perhaps (got any actual evidence about author expectations in this case?), but that's not a problem for tokenizer performance. You're shifting the goalposts. My comment about tokenizer performance was later. By the way, author

Re: [whatwg] Modal dialogs in HTML5

2008-12-18 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Philipp Serafin wrote: There is no reasoneable default size the page could adjust to. If the author can't specify the size of a popup/dialog, what algorithm should the UA use to find out the correct optimal size? Lay out the page at infinite height and width, then

Re: [whatwg] Modal dialogs in HTML5

2008-12-18 Thread Philipp Serafin
Ian Hickson schrieb: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Philipp Serafin wrote: There is no reasoneable default size the page could adjust to. If the author can't specify the size of a popup/dialog, what algorithm should the UA use to find out the correct optimal size? Lay out the page at infinite

Re: [whatwg] XSLT and DOCTYPES

2008-12-18 Thread Julian Reschke
Elliotte Harold wrote: ... Since XSLT 1.0 can generate well-formed XHTML without any problems, there really is no need for this at all. Documents generated by XSLT that need to be conforming should simply be XHTML. ... Now if you can persuade Microsoft to implement XHTML, that might fly.

Re: [whatwg] XSLT and DOCTYPES

2008-12-18 Thread Jonas Sicking
This should work in any scenario in which the XSLT processor itself is serializing the output. If it's merely generating some sort of DOM or tree to pass to another process, then all bets are off. However in that scenario, other means of producing DOCTYPES are also not guaranteed since the