Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-09 Thread Chris McCormick
Hi Sylvia, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:16:01AM +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24:42AM -0700, Charles Pritchard wrote: There are two use cases that I think are important: a codec implementation

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Hi Sylvia, On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:16:01AM +1000, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:24:42AM -0700, Charles Pritchard wrote:

Re: [whatwg] small element should allow nested elements

2009-08-09 Thread Bruce Lawson
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:19:23 +0100, Remy Sharp r...@leftlogic.com wrote: Hi, I know Bruce Lawson has mentioned that this has been brought up before, but I couldn't find it in the archives (searching small), so I'd like to bring it up again. I suggested it in the w3c list, not this one.

[whatwg] HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD

2009-08-09 Thread Manu Sporny
I took some time this weekend to go through the HTML5 specification and write warning language for features that are currently either controversial or have long-standing bugs logged against them. It is important that we draw attention to the least stable sections of the HTML5 draft in order to

Re: [whatwg] Codecs for audio and video

2009-08-09 Thread Sam Dutton
As an aside to Chris McCormick's comments, I wonder if it might also be useful/possible/appropriate (or not) to provide access to media data in the way that the ActionScript computeSpectrum function does:

Re: [whatwg] HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD

2009-08-09 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Manu Spornymspo...@digitalbazaar.com wrote: I took some time this weekend to go through the HTML5 specification and write warning language for features that are currently either controversial or have long-standing bugs logged against them. It is important that

[whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Aaron Boodman
[If this has been discussed before, feel free to just point me there] I frequently see the comment on this list and in other forums that something is too late for HTML5, and therefore discussion should be deferred. I would like to propose that we get rid of the concepts of versions altogether

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Aaron Boodmana...@google.com wrote: [If this has been discussed before, feel free to just point me there] I frequently see the comment on this list and in other forums that something is too late for HTML5, and therefore discussion should be deferred. I would

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Adam Shannon
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Aaron Boodman a...@google.com wrote: [If this has been discussed before, feel free to just point me there] I frequently see the comment on this list and in other forums that something is too late for HTML5, and therefore discussion should be deferred. I

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Aaron Boodman
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: A feature that is not widely supported is a feature we authors can't depend on.  If we're lucky, we can put in some extra effort to work around the lack and still deliver a decent experience.  If we're not, we simply

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Adam Shannon
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Adam Shannonashannon1...@gmail.com wrote: If we never cut things off then the spec will really never be finished before 2020. Why does this matter? At the end of the day isn't the goal to have the largest number of interoperable features? Consider one

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Olli Pettay
On 8/9/09 7:10 PM, Aaron Boodman wrote: [If this has been discussed before, feel free to just point me there] I frequently see the comment on this list and in other forums that something is too late for HTML5, and therefore discussion should be deferred. I would like to propose that we get rid

Re: [whatwg] Removing versioning from HTML

2009-08-09 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Aaron Boodmana...@google.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: A feature that is not widely supported is a feature we authors can't depend on.  If we're lucky, we can put in some extra effort to work around the

Re: [whatwg] HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD

2009-08-09 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi Manu, Manu Sporny wrote: I took some time this weekend to go through the HTML5 specification and write warning language for features that are currently either controversial or have long-standing bugs logged against them. It is important that we draw attention to the least stable sections of

Re: [whatwg] HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD

2009-08-09 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Aug 9, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: 3. A poll is created with two options: [ ] Publish Ian's latest draft to address the heartbeat requirement. [ ] Publish Ian's latest draft with Manu's warning language to address the heartbeat requirement. If we indeed have a draft,

[whatwg] Request in bug 7144

2009-08-09 Thread Ian Hickson
In bug 7144, somebody wrote: I am not sure if we are ditching ALT in favour of legend. You don't make this clear here. Some of your alt examples here resemble longdesc, which I am in favour of ditching completely. I'd be interested to see your answer on whatwg list about this It's not

Re: [whatwg] DOMTokenList: mutation clarification

2009-08-09 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Sylvain Pasche wrote: 1) in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#common-dom-interfaces When the attribute is absent, then the string represented by the object is the empty string; when the object mutates this empty string, the user agent must first add the

[whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Remco
Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. Remco

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread David Singer
At 1:12 +0200 10/08/09, Remco wrote: Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. Your search was too quick...we are discussing accessibility provisions for video and audio in general.

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Nils Dagsson Moskopp
Am Montag, den 10.08.2009, 01:12 +0200 schrieb Remco: Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. Hmm … subtitles have not been discussed before ? I don't think so. Or what else do you think

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 10/08/2009 00:12, Remco wrote: Shouldn'tvideos andaudios (and maybeobjects too?) also have an alt attribute? Bearing in mind: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-equiv and http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#media-equiv What function would alt on video serve? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Remco
My search was indeed too quick. I stand corrected. Captions/subtitles seem like a very good idea for accessibility, but in addition to that I think that an alt attribute would still be appropriate for browsers that can't display the media at all. The alt is a replacement for an external element

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Tab Atkins Jr.
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: My search was indeed too quick. I stand corrected. Captions/subtitles seem like a very good idea for accessibility, but in addition to that I think that an alt attribute would still be appropriate for browsers that can't display

Re: [whatwg] HTML5-warnings - request to publish as next heartbeat WD

2009-08-09 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: If you limit your list to open issues that have been unresolved for at least 6 months without meaningful progress (with reference to an issue tracker issue, or a mailing list post, dating back at least 6 months) and if you remove the

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Remco
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Remcoremc...@gmail.com wrote: My search was indeed too quick. I stand corrected. Captions/subtitles seem like a very good idea for accessibility, but in addition to that I think that an

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 1:12  +0200 10/08/09, Remco wrote: Shouldn't videos and audios (and maybe objects too?) also have an alt attribute? A quick Google search tells me this has not been discussed before. Your search was too quick...we are

Re: [whatwg] Alt attribute for video and audio

2009-08-09 Thread Remco
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewisbhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/08/2009 02:22, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: E.g. when you tab onto avideo  element, the alt tag could give a very brief summary as to what the video is about, e.g. Elephant Dreams video. Don't the