On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
On 24 January 2012 23:26, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011, Anselm Hannemann - Novolo Designagentur wrote:
As we now have the possibility of creating fluid and responsive
layouts in several ways we have a problem with
We're getting some good feedback over on the Community Group about
this, people seem to like it.
I'm still asking a few people to try and find holes in the proposal
though, reasons why it wouldn't work.
-Matt
On 14 May 2012 17:59, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012
Please, have you taken a look at the latest idea?
http://www.w3.org/community/respimg/2012/05/13/an-alternative-proposition-to-and-srcset-with-wider-scope/
It solves many issues:
1) works with pre-fetch
2) is not verbose
3) is backward compatible with current browsers
4) is aimed for
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
Please, have you taken a look at the latest idea?
http://www.w3.org/community/respimg/2012/05/13/an-alternative-proposition-to-and-srcset-with-wider-scope/
It was quoted and replied to in the email you just replied
Constraints on where assets are placed and named? I do not follow your
reasoning here: You put them in the folder that's used for that design
breakpoint:
/anything/{whatever}/this/can/be/anything.jpg
I've seen no objections about that aspect in the Community Group
thread, where a number of
I do not see much potential for srcset. The result of asking the
author community was overwhelmingly negative, indirection or no
indirection.
To be clear, I don't see how indirection of this level can be an
issue, under those terms anything you write in CSS to effect a HTML
element is already
That's one of the major advantages of Adaptive Images (the PHP/JS
solution) and what people most like about it when they give me
feedback - it's all automatic with no custom HTML and it does all
image generation itself.
Yes, the vast majority of people who are going to put images into
websites
On May 14, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Kang-Hao (Kenny) Lu wrote:
(12/05/15 7:17), Mathew Marquis wrote:
It’s worth noting that a practical polyfill may not be possible when using
`img set`, for reasons detailed at length elsewhere:
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on wide screens. As the
screen narrows, the Nokia Lumia is then shown vertically and cropped.
Bryan and Stephanie Rieger, the
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on wide screens. As the
screen narrows, the Nokia Lumia
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
That all said, I don't like the 2x notation. It's declaring this
image's resolution is twice that of a normal image. This has two
problems. For one, we already have a unit that
On May 15, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 12:28 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
* Example 2: On the Nokia Browser site where it describes the Meego
browser, the Nokia Lumia is show horizontally on
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
Are you saying that all of the image source listed in srcset would have the
same aspect ratio? In the example Hixie provided, face-icon.png is a
different ratio.
Another way to read this could be that you’re fine so
On May 15, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
Are you saying that all of the image source listed in srcset would have the
same aspect ratio? In the example Hixie provided, face-icon.png is a
different ratio.
Um, the fact of the matter is we don't want to ensure they have the
same ratio. It is exactly why we want to swap images sometimes - the
aspect ratio no longer fits the design being applied at the given
breakpoint.
On 15 May 2012 18:48, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012,
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
Now I'm not sure what to do about the bandwidth one. It's very hard for a
user agent to estimate its bandwidth availability -- it depends on the
server, and the network location of the server, almost as much as on the
location
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
for the same be more efficient goal, but I think that here on the
mailing list that's being approached from an angle that has not
considered how authors actually
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
Um, the fact of the matter is we don't want to ensure they have the
same ratio. It is exactly why we want to swap images sometimes - the
aspect ratio no longer fits the design being applied at the given
breakpoint.
On May 15, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
3.125x isn't particularly difficult to specify.
I actually didn't even realize that 300dpi is 3.125 times
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.comwrote:
For two, I'm not sure that it's particularly obvious that when you say
2x, you should make sure your image was saved as 196dpi. You have
to already know what the default resolution is.
You don't have to. The
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less obvious form...
img src=face-600-200 at 1.jpeg alt=
srcset=face-600-200 at 1.jpeg 600w 200h 1x,
face-600-200 at 2.jpeg 600w 200h 2x,
face-icon.png
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less obvious form...
img src=face-600-200 at 1.jpeg alt=
srcset=face-600-200 at 1.jpeg 600w 200h 1x,
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:51 +0100, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less obvious form...
img src=face-600-200
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Bruce Lawson bru...@opera.com wrote:
1) the 600w 200h bit replicates the functionality of the familiar Media
Queries syntax but in a new unfamiliar microsyntax which many have argued is
ugly, unintuitive and prone to error
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
Importantly, I think I'd like to be able to use either min or max, but
@srcset's microsyntax only talks about min sizes. (I got it wrong in
my previous email.)
Well, it's not a media query. It *describes* the size of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@annevk.nl wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
Importantly, I think I'd like to be able to use either min or max, but
@srcset's microsyntax only talks about min sizes. (I got it wrong in
my
On 15/05/2012 22:46, Bruce Lawson wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:51 +0100, Tab Atkins Jr.
jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com
wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less
Tab, maybe you think this is a good type to write the syntax but the majority
of normal web developers are used to use common HTML syntax. This is why we
proposed the picture element and normal attributes using media queries.
Of course this means we have lot more to write but at least this is
Am 16.05.2012 um 00:06 schrieb Chris Heilmann:
On 15/05/2012 22:46, Bruce Lawson wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:18:51 +0100, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be
On 15/05/2012 23:11, Anselm Hannemann Web Development wrote:
Tab, maybe you think this is a good type to write the syntax but the majority
of normal web developers are used to use common HTML syntax. This is why we
proposed the picture element and normal attributes using media queries.
Of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Chris Heilmann code...@gmail.com wrote:
I also wonder what we do with videos? Surely they have the same issues and
there is no proposal for changing the syntax there. I do not like the syntax
of this. Yes it is more terse but it smacks of the horrible syntax of
Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less obvious form...
We've already got media queries so surelt we should be using them to
determine which image should be used and if media-queries don't have
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Odin Hørthe Omdal odi...@opera.com wrote:
Andy Davies dajdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Looking at the srcset proposal it appears to be recreating aspects of
media-queries in a terse less obvious form...
We've already got media queries so surelt we should be using
Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com skreiv Wed, 16 May 2012
00:57:48 +0200
Media queries come from the client side. They allow the author of a web
page to tell exactly how she want to lay out her design based on the
different queries. The browser *HAS* to follow these queries. And also,
Odin wrote:
It's heavily optimized for the usecase that will happen most often: for
retina type displays:
img src=odin-in-suit.jpg srcset=odin-in-s...@2.jpg 2x
Okay. This is also what Ted said about the srcset proposal and it makes a lot
of sense for that use case.
But it seems far less
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:17:54 +0100, Chris Heilmann code...@gmail.com
wrote:
The fetish for brevity is something I never understood. More
understandable code is faster to write than cryptic short code.
There is significant difference in verbosity for a *very common case* of
serving images
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:57:48 +0100, Silvia Pfeiffer
silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote:
Media queries come from the client side. They allow the author of a web
page to tell exactly how she want to lay out her design based on the
different queries. The browser *HAS* to follow these queries. And
On Tue, 15 May 2012 19:25:23 +0100, Matthew Wilcox
m...@matthewwilcox.com wrote:
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
for the same be more efficient goal, but I think that here on the
mailing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jeremy Keith jer...@adactio.com wrote:
Odin wrote:
1. How do we enable authors so that they can display different images under
different conditions based on art direction?
2. Enabling authors to provide different resolutions of images based on a
variety of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 19:25:23 +0100, Matthew Wilcox m...@matthewwilcox.com
wrote:
I think there's a fundamental mis-match in the mental model of how
authors work and what they want. I'm pretty sure we're all shooting
On May 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
I suspect this is simply confusion about the proposal - @srcset
handles the art-directed case same as picture, just with a
somewhat more compact microsyntax rather than using MQs directly. (On
the plus side, the slightly-special processing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Jason Grigsby ja...@cloudfour.com wrote:
On May 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
I suspect this is simply confusion about the proposal - @srcset
handles the art-directed case same as picture, just with a
somewhat more compact microsyntax rather
Hi,
I think that the fullscreenchange even dispatch should be specified to
be dispatched once the animation to transition to/from fullscreen has
finished.
The problem is that at least two of the platforms we're supporting have
non-instantaneous transitions from windowed to fullscreen mode.
On 5/15/12 7:33 PM, Kornel Lesiński wrote:
In fact, I'd keep @media, because it serves some cases very well (I see
dpi/bandwidth optimisation as a problem orthogonal to layout adaptation:
http://geekhood.net/MediaQuery-vs-PerfQuery.png)
@media on video source is terrible for layout adaptation:
Hi there,
Adding a new *presentational* attribute/element for adaptive/responsive
images makes no sense and is not required. We already have a flexible
image format that can accomplish this — SVG, e.g.:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; viewBox=0 0 900 1135
On 2012-05-15, at 7:23 PM, Kornel Lesiński wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:17:54 +0100, Chris Heilmann code...@gmail.com wrote:
The fetish for brevity is something I never understood. More understandable
code is faster to write than cryptic short code.
There is significant difference in
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Odin Hørthe Omdal odi...@opera.com wrote:
Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com skreiv Wed, 16 May 2012 00:57:48
+0200
Media queries come from the client side. They allow the author of a web
page to tell exactly how she want to lay out her design based on
I've had intermittent issues with this as well, and completely agree that
the even should happen after the transition is done. Barring that, it would
be useful if the elements on the page reported their post-transition sizes
and positions in the even callback.
In the same vein, I'd also like to
You might remember about my proposal 9 months ago. If not you can see it here:
https://gist.github.com/1158855
img src=http://cdn.url.com/img/myimage_xs.jpg;
media-xs=(min-device-width:320px and max-device-width:640px)
media-xs-src=http://cdn.url.com/img/myimage_xs.jpg;
The good thing on the picture element is that we have the possibility to serve
other image-crops and with that the meaning could change so we could update the
alt-attribute in the tag for every source-element.
I do know this is a very special case but valid: An image displayed for a
desktop
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