Re: [whatwg] Authoring Re: several messages about HTML5

2007-02-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Adrian Sutton wrote: Did you notice in your development of an WYSIWYG HTML editor things from the specification that - were very difficult to implement? - were missing in the HTML language itself to make it easier to control the editing? There are a couple of things to note

Re: [whatwg] Authoring Re: several messages about HTML5

2007-02-22 Thread Dave Raggett
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Andrew Fedoniouk wrote: I agree that HTML DOM is not suitable for WYSIWYG editing. I beg to differ. It is true that an editing style sheet may be needed to avoid problems with delivery style sheets that use the display and visibility properties to hide content, or which

Re: [whatwg] Authoring Re: several messages about HTML5

2007-02-22 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 17:15 -0500 UTC, on 2007-02-21, Adrian Sutton wrote: [...] When people get into writing they want to focus purely on what they are writing and they don't want to have to think for a second about how the authoring tool they are using wants them to work. If you want the tool to succeed you

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5

2007-02-22 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:38:48 +0100, Elliotte Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... most of the tools that have been built have been built by programmers with more experience in WYSIWYG word processors than in semantic markup. The semanticists who have built GUI tools have not had the necessary

Re: [whatwg] several messages about HTML5 -- authors' tools

2007-02-22 Thread ddailey
Interesting thread (including various sub-ravels thereof). Suppose in a semantically charged, but markup-impoverished medium such as the textual narrative (constituting the majority of the content of the web as we know it), we seek to build the word processor that generates not only the

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread Ryan Sarver
One of the other options we have is to reverse-geocode the lat/lon and then return different levels of granularity based on that information 42.351036, -71.049378 = 332 Congress St, Boston, MA 02210 So sites like fandango that would only require a zipcode, we would only need to provide them a

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Ryan Sarver wrote: The biggest problem with this implementation is that it requires an additional service on top of standard GPS. I wasn't envisaging any geocoding services. In my example, the address would be one the user had entered, and (assuming the machine has GPS at all) the browser

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread Ryan Sarver
Gerv, this is great feedback. I agree that it's important to think of fixed devices also being able to produce location information, especially without needing any type of location-sensing hardware or software. In terms of user's being able to give different addresses, I feel that is the job of

[whatwg] OT history Re: Authoring

2007-02-22 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:07:29 +0100, Ron van den Boogaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:47:50 +0100, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: As people got printers and desktop publishing a few people made the crazy multi-font unreadable pages that were all the rage in the mid-80s

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread James Graham
Ryan Sarver wrote: I tried to search through the archives to see if the discussion had come up before and didn’t find anything, so please forgive me if it has. Something slightly relevant has been discussed in the context of wf2 [1] We have been successful in exposing it through the

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread Ryan Sarver
Since I am a newbie in this regard, what do you think about passing something like User-Geolocation in the header of the request so that the server has access to the information as well? Obviously this is subject to some settings and privacy control on the UA, but it would allow the server to

Re: [whatwg] Authoring Re: several messages about HTML5

2007-02-22 Thread Andrew Fedoniouk
- Original Message - From: Dave Raggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Fedoniouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adrian Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Karl Dubost [EMAIL PROTECTED]; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Authoring Re: several messages

Re: [whatwg] Geolocation in the browser

2007-02-22 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -, Ryan Sarver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: var location = window.getLocation(); For some applications location given in format other than lat/long may be more useful and less privacy-sensitive. For example name of the city might be good enough if you order

[whatwg] [WF3] Web Forms 3.0 Feature List

2007-02-22 Thread Matthew Raymond
I'll start: * XForms Tiny's |calculate| attribute * |required| attribute with expression values (formerly XForms Tiny's |needed| attribute) * |valid| (formerly XForms Tiny's |constraint| attribute) * |disabled| attribute with expression values (formerly XForms Tiny's |relevant|

Re: [whatwg] [WF3] Web Forms 3.0 Feature List

2007-02-22 Thread carmen
| input type=number name=cc1_4 | select name=cc1_exp_month[...]/select / | select name=cc1_exp_year[...]/select don't you see cc1_exp_year as a bit of a problem? i hope webforms3 addresses the name hacking that has become standard in web frameworks to flatten multiple db