Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Dave Singer
At 19:28 +0200 27/03/07, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: That is a matter of perception. Flash player which is the de-facto standard at this point provides support on at least linux, windows and Mac. We do risk that if this element is provided it could replace Flash video with something that

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Dave Singer
At 20:30 +0200 27/03/07, Maik Merten wrote: Actually the current audio draft requires user agents to support PCM in a .wav container (that's way stronger than what can be found in the video section). I guess your points apply there, too? Yes, technically I think we should stay clean and

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Dave Singer
At 6:40 +1000 28/03/07, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Hi Dave, On 3/28/07, Dave Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really feel that the HTML spec. should say no more about video and audio formats than it does about image formats (which is merely to give examples), and we should strive

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Gervase Markham
Dave Singer wrote: Yes. I re-iterate; we have nothing aganist the Ogg or Theora codecs; we just don't have a commercial reason to implement them, and we'd rather not have the HTML spec. try to force the issue. It just gets ugly (like the 3G exception). But that's circular reasoning. We

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:57 +0900, Dave Singer wrote: At 19:28 +0200 27/03/07, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: That is a matter of perception. Flash player which is the de-facto standard at this point provides support on at least linux, windows and Mac. We do risk that if this element is

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On 3/28/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:57 +0900, Dave Singer wrote: At 19:28 +0200 27/03/07, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: Apple has neither power or desire to stop people implementing the video tag on any platform, and indeed the whole point

Re: [whatwg] Thesis draft about HTML5 conformance checking

2007-03-28 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mar 12, 2007, at 05:27, olivier Thereaux wrote: On Mar 11, 2007, at 02:15 , Henri Sivonen wrote: The draft of my master's thesis is available for commenting at: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/thesis/ Henri, congratulations on your work on the HTML conformance checker and on the Thesis.

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mar 27, 2007, at 23:40, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I would be curious for the reasons that 3GPP has taken the requirement of vorbis out of the spec. Was that a decision based on technical reasons and could you please explain what these technical reasons were? First: I don't know about what

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Maik Merten
Henri Sivonen schrieb: When Nokia guys show up Open Source meetings, the FAQ about Maemo is why they don't ship Vorbis support. The manager of the Maemo operation has said that Nokia is afraid of Vorbis having some Fraunhofer-owned stuff in it after all, so Nokia does not want to ship Vorbis

Re: [whatwg] Apply script.defer to internal scripts

2007-03-28 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:49:41 +0200, Kristof Zelechovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the following example: script type=text/javascript defer function ha8validate(p5event) { return true } document.forms[0].onsubmit = ha8validate /script The script embedded here is so short and specific

Re: [whatwg] video element feedback

2007-03-28 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Laurens Holst wrote: As said, I tried a few things with embedding an image, video and SVG with the object tag: ... First of all, one annoying thing is that you have to provide sizes, otherwise the object will not be visible. At least in Mozilla, this is false for images. It should become

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Dave Singer
At 18:14 +0300 28/03/07, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 23:40, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: I would be curious for the reasons that 3GPP has taken the requirement of vorbis out of the spec. Was that a decision based on technical reasons and could you please explain what these technical

Re: [whatwg] on codecs in a 'video' tag.

2007-03-28 Thread Dave Singer
At 9:48 +0100 28/03/07, Gervase Markham wrote: Dave Singer wrote: Yes. I re-iterate; we have nothing aganist the Ogg or Theora codecs; we just don't have a commercial reason to implement them, and we'd rather not have the HTML spec. try to force the issue. It just gets ugly (like the 3G

Re: [whatwg] Video proposals

2007-03-28 Thread Boris Zbarsky
Laurens Holst wrote: One of the main reasons that object is still broken on the web and why embed needs to be used is Mozilla; their plugin finder doesn’t work with object. I'm sorry, but that's false. See my other post (under Re: video element feedback) and