Re: [whatwg] WF2: Non-validating submit buttons

2007-04-05 Thread Thomas Broyer
2007/4/4, Martin Atkins: * For cancel buttons where the server-side app just throws the submitted form data away, it's pointless to validate it client-side. Attach the cancel button to a distinct 'form' (eventually having the same 'action' and 'method'). * Allowing the user to submit an

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread ddailey
I understand that some here have reasons not to be happy with SMIL, but its implementation within SVG really is quite nice and understandable. So far as I can see, the discontent with it stems primarily from the fact SMIL seems to have alternative specifications. Since the SVG implementation is

Re: [whatwg] Accessibility and the Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Eric Carlson
Benjamin - On Apr 4, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Re: http://webkit.org/specs/HTML_Timed_Media_Elements.html There are three things I'd hope to see from a video element: 1) Ease of use compared to object (A common API contributes to this, and v2 might approach it with a

[whatwg] Trailing garbage, numbers and conformance

2007-04-05 Thread Henri Sivonen
Common microsyntaxes for numbers allow leading whitespace and allow trailing garbage. I understand why the algorithms for UAs other than conformance checkers might be defined not to fail when there is trailing garbage. However, to help authors catch typos, I think only trailing whitespace

[whatwg] tbody content model should be 0+ trs

2007-04-05 Thread Simon Pieters
Why does tbody require one or more tr elements, as opposed to zero or more? http://www.whatwg.org/demos/repeat-01/ has an empty tbody if you click Remove. -- Simon Pieters

Re: [whatwg] tbody content model should be 0+ trs

2007-04-05 Thread Simon Pieters
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:41:21 +0200, Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why does tbody require one or more tr elements, as opposed to zero or more? http://www.whatwg.org/demos/repeat-01/ has an empty tbody if you click Remove. Also... since tables are allowed to have trs as direct

[whatwg] Sequential List Proposal

2007-04-05 Thread Michel Fortin
Following the discussion about the limitations of dialog, I meditated about it a little and came up with the idea to generalize things a little more. When we have a dialog intermixed with actions and other events (like ABC leaves the chat room), basically we have a sequential list of

Re: [whatwg] Sequential List Proposal

2007-04-05 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2007-04-05 à 10:36, Simon Pieters a écrit : I get a 404 for this URI. Oops... sorry. http://www.michelf.com/documents/whatwg/sequential-list/ Michel Fortin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.michelf.com/

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 5, 2007, at 4:53 AM, ddailey wrote: I understand that some here have reasons not to be happy with SMIL, but its implementation within SVG really is quite nice and understandable. So far as I can see, the discontent with it stems primarily from the fact SMIL seems to have

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread ddailey
Okay -- I guess that makes sense. thanks. David - Original Message - From: Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Vladimir Vukicevic
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: 1. 'media-loop-count' is an awkward name, especially with The default value of 1 means the item will play through once but will not loop. We went through this with APNG, and ended up renaming that member. I

Re: [whatwg] Trailing garbage, numbers and conformance

2007-04-05 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 5, 2007, at 20:44, Ian Hickson wrote: The conformance requirements require the strings to be (e.g. in the case of floating point numbers) valid floating point number, which doesn't allow any spaces or non-numeric data, trailing or leading. Oops. Sorry. Somehow I managed to miss

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On 4/5/07, Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: 1. 'media-loop-count' is an awkward name, especially with The default value of 1 means the item will play through once but will not loop. We went through

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2007-04-05 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 09:54 +0200 UTC, on 2007-04-02, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:59:50 +0200, Sander Tekelenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Surely we're not trying to ensure that a Web page is presented the same in every browsing environment? What would be the use of that? That's

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2007-04-05 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 16:20 +0200 UTC, on 2007-04-02, Thomas Broyer wrote: 2007/4/2, Asbjørn Ulsberg: [...] Should the HTML or CSS specification then encourage HTML and CSS authors to use such a zapper to get expected visual results across browsers? Why not, but such a zapper should then be given in the

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2007-04-05 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 12:52 +0200 UTC, on 2007-04-02, Asbjørn Ulsberg wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:59:50 +0200, Sander Tekelenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [display: block and inline] Defining preseantation up to *that* level is no problem IMO. Great! Then let's. The current (HTML 4) spec already does

Re: [whatwg] Default (informal) Style Sheet

2007-04-05 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 03:18 -0400 UTC, on 2007-04-02, Mike Schinkel wrote: Sander Tekelenburg wrote: [...] What exactly, in the context of presentation, would be good about consistency *across* UAs? See Jakob's Law of Internet User Experience http://www.useit.com/alertbox/2723.html I fail to see the

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Sorry for breaking into your realm, I just could not resist. It seems that a recording that plays just once should have the loop-count set to 0 (or left unspecified, of course). This means that the loop-count attribute cannot be used to specify that the recording should not play at all - which

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Complex properties usually have their atomic counterparts in order that a script can manipulate them conveniently. That means independence is not the only factor here. ChrisY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L. David Baron Sent: Thursday,