Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Shannon
They are not easy ways forward, I agree. How would _you_ recommend addressing Apple's requirements while still addressing the requirements of the rest of the community? I would recommend that Apple and Nokia follow the example set by Goomplayer (and others) by allowing users to download

Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Maik Merten
Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML? Feel free to be more specific. That prefix means that HTML DOCTYPE is not issued by an officially recognised standards body. If W3C

Re: [whatwg] The political and legal status of WHATWG

2007-12-15 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Shannon wrote: Yes, requirements that CANNOT be met. Ever. Period. The current placeholder text proposes two main conditions that are expected to be met before vendors will 'move forward' and 'progress' will happen. It isn't a rule but there is certainly an implication that leaves a lot to

Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 11:41 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML? Feel free to be more specific. That prefix means that HTML

Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 21:14 +1100, Shannon pisze: They are not easy ways forward, I agree. How would _you_ recommend addressing Apple's requirements while still addressing the requirements of the rest of the community? I would recommend that Apple and Nokia follow the

Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 22:06 -0800, Joseph Daniel Zukiger pisze: Has someone made the precise suggestion I made? Specifically: (1) Require (MUST) a container/codec not known to be encumbered for the video tag. (2) Require an open plugin API for the browser, so that 3rd-party

Re: [whatwg] The political and legal status of WHATWG

2007-12-15 Thread Krzysztof Żelechowski
Dnia 15-12-2007, So o godzinie 14:24 +1100, Shannon pisze: Ian, thank you for your answers re: video codecs. I agree with you now that everything that needs to said has been said regarding the change itself and I think most parties have made it clear how they feel and what they hope will

Re: [whatwg] The truth about Nokias claims

2007-12-15 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote: Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML? Feel free to be more specific. That prefix means that HTML DOCTYPE is not issued by an officially recognised standards body. If W3C

[whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE (was: Re: The truth about Nokias claims)

2007-12-15 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 15 Dec 2007, at 12:52, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Krzysztof Żelechowski wrote: Dnia 14-12-2007, Pt o godzinie 19:47 +0100, Maik Merten pisze: Krzysztof Żelechowski schrieb: Remember the - in DOCTYPE HTML? Feel free to be more specific. That prefix means that HTML DOCTYPE is not

Re: [whatwg] Reasons for moving Ogg to MUST status (was Re: HTML 5, OGG, competition, civil rights, and persons with disabilities)

2007-12-15 Thread Andrew Sidwell
Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote: That's not unreasonable, but you have yet to give a solid technical reason for reverting to the old text, Reasons to put the Ogg tech suite back on the spec: - it's Free (who here hates beer or freedom?) This is a false dichotomy. (You characterise that if you

Re: [whatwg] Reasons for moving Ogg to MUST status (was Re: HTML 5, OGG, competition, civil rights, and persons with disabilities)

2007-12-15 Thread David Gerard
On 13/12/2007, Andrew Sidwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote: This is not the year 2000. Mozilla and Opera are embedding Theora video. That's a user base large enough to force the rest of the players to get with the program. I very much doubt it. IE at least would

Re: [whatwg] +/- in SGML DOCTYPE

2007-12-15 Thread Terje Bless
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Sneddon) wrote: ISO 8879:1989 states that SGML public text owner identifier registration (i.e., those that start with a + instead of the unregistered -) is defined in ISO 9070, which I don't have a copy of. I can, however,

Re: [whatwg] Asynchronous database API feedback

2007-12-15 Thread Benjamin West
On Dec 9, 2007 1:29 AM, Aaron Boodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the new Database API design a lot, but I wish there was an option for synchronous DB access. I did some quick tests and I can insert 1000 rows, totaling 3KB+ of data into SQLite in less than a tenth of a second on Windows

Re: [whatwg] Asynchronous database API feedback

2007-12-15 Thread Benjamin West
On Dec 15, 2007 5:36 PM, Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's unclear how this might affect developers using the offline API. Ben West Thought I'd add that for many developers, the issues with asynchronous APIs requiring callbacks are difficult to overcome. The examples shown so far

Re: [whatwg] Asynchronous database API feedback

2007-12-15 Thread Darin Adler
On Dec 15, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Benjamin West wrote: I suspect that for most typical uses on most typical runtimes, most developers would choose to risk the performance hit of synchronous access to the complexity of binding methods to their objects. I suspect this allows faster prototyping

[whatwg] HTML5 and URI Templates

2007-12-15 Thread James M Snell
While I am certain some folks may not appreciate the departure from the engaging and entertaining debate over video codecs, I wanted to offer a minor feature suggestion [1] with regards to HTML5 forms and URI Templates [2]. The gist of the idea (which I believe may have been brought up before but